You can only win with a progression!

[Turner]

I basically don't believe in house edge,

so when you win and you get 35u back instead of 36....you dont believe it....lol

[rouletteKEY]

A progressions basically says, "I'm not winning now, but I will be soon and I'll get all my money back plus a pro*it."  (spilled drink on computer)

*lat betting says, "I'm not winning now on small units, but soon I will win lots more decisions on the same small bet and get all my money back plust a pro*it."

Either way, it's like saying you want a longer board so you saw a twelve inches o** one end and glue it to the other.

Well, maybe not truly that hard............

But close.......

Sam

I won't speak for others Sam.  But when I am talking about a progression I am talking about a tool to be used...another play.  It's there to accentuate the wins.  Could I lose more because of it? Yes.  This is gambling of course.

But I am playing a single number in alot of cases (sometimes as many as 3 or 4 numbers).  Is my bet selection strong enough to win flat betting?  Usually YES.  But I am playing in B&M casinos...not online where I can spin every 5 seconds or have a machine just keep grinding it out.  I just don't have time to make what I want to make flat betting sometimes.

The other thing I personally am doing...I am playing to WIN.  This isn't a night on the town.  If I have what I feel to be the right conditions I am betting bigger...by the very essence of the fact that I am not betting flat I have therefore "progressed" my bet in some cases.  Sometimes for 4 or 5 spins...sometimes for 20.  If conditions dictate progressing my bets, either positive or negative I will do it without hesitation...because I am playing to WIN.  I am not playing for a draw and I am prepared to go down in flames doing so.

I can win flat betting...I just choose to occassionally use progressions because it fits my gameplan, just as others choose to bet a ton of numbers because it fits their gameplan.  Progressions are a tool to use in the game...if they couldn't be used as effective tools there would be no such thing as table limits.  If you have the bankroll and the stomach for the "judicious" use of progressions and you are of a similar mindset as I am (playing to win) then why would a well thought out and reasonable progression not be used?

[TwoCatSam]

KEY

I play progressions all the time.  The D'Alembert is my progression o* choice.  Not knocking them; just bloviating.

When your "system/method" achieves a state where dispersion is kept to a minimum, a progression will work very well.

I envy those who can read random and bet accordingly.  Maybe someday I'll take it up.  *or now, my play is doing pretty well with progressions.  There is a time to just stop *or the day and come back to *ight again.

Sam

[DaDee]

I'm currently using the divisor method (with my own tweak) on 24 numbers but I increase the divisor after every loss so that it is less volatile.
I also only bet for a win after a win whether it be virtual or real.

I only start a session after 2 virtual wins and each session either ends +5 or break even.

[DaDee]

GLC, you are so incredibly wrong, and it is not my mere opinion. You can beat roulette, but only if you increase the accuracy of predictions.

Progression alone is certain death for your bankroll. Absolute fact. You are not covering losses. You are just making different bets of different sizes. I created :.genuinewinner.com/truth/ to help explain it.

Steve you have been preaching this stuff for years, the house edge is only 2.7%, now that's hardly unbeatable without one of your roulette computers or some kind of physical application strategy.

[rouletteKEY]

KEY

I play progressions all the time.  The D'Alembert is my progression o* choice.  Not knocking them; just bloviating.

When your "system/method" achieves a state where dispersion is kept to a minimum, a progression will work very well.

I envy those who can read random and bet accordingly.  Maybe someday I'll take it up.  *or now, my play is doing pretty well with progressions.  There is a time to just stop *or the day and come back to *ight again.

Sam

I've seen your videos...I didn't think you had become a progression "hater" 

I like the fibo myself...although with betting only a few numbers at the most it takes quite a few spins to get through the first steps.  The nice thing for me is that with repeating/hot numbers coming in waves the negative progression naturally turns into a positive progression in alot of cases and although I hate slogging through the slow times...when I catch a run I just leave the progression up and I'm sitting nice really quick.  (No...it doesn't always work out that way...but it does more times than not)

I don't worry so much about reading random (is it official have we turned the word random into a noun?)  I just trust my testing and the "random" nature of those numbers repeating within a certain estimated frequency and I randomly win every so many spins and I randomly try to indulge in the seafood buffet just after I randomly hit a hot streak and suspect that a random lull in the action might be approaching.

[Chrisbis]

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[marvin]

so when you win and you get 35u back instead of 36....you don't believe it....LoL

i just keep in mind that the it is what it is  and don't bother about it dear turner   

so lets just get a good bet selection, increase our bankroll and choose a great progression 

[Turner]

I've seen your videos...I didn't think you had become a progression "hater" 

I like the fibo myself...although with betting only a few numbers at the most it takes quite a few spins to get through the first steps.  The nice thing for me is that with repeating/hot numbers coming in waves the negative progression naturally turns into a positive progression in a lot of cases and although I hate slogging through the slow times...when I catch a run I just leave the progression up and I'm sitting nice really quick.  (No...it doesn't always work out that way...but it does more times than not)

I don't worry so much about reading random (is it official have we turned the word random into a noun?)  I just trust my testing and the "random" nature of those numbers repeating within a certain estimated frequency and I randomly win every so many spins and I randomly try to indulge in the seafood buffet just after I randomly hit a hot streak and suspect that a random lull in the action might be approaching.

Thats about it KEY...what you just said...with luck thrown in. In your case, maybe the luck lies in guessing how long the seafood has been out.
Turner

[Turner]

i just keep in mind that the it is what it is  and don't bother about it dear turner   

so lets just get a good bet selection, increase our bankroll and choose a great progression 

I understand, i just think flat betting can lead you to the same place as progressions most of the time. You just sweat less flat betting.
Also, many times, progressions are a sticking plaster on a sh*t idea.

And no SAM...that aterisk wasn't an "f" 

[GLC]

I have been testing two systems for the last year.  One is Tera TNT and the other is The Very Near Infallible Roulette System.  Both with my own minor tweaks.  I occasionally go to the local casino and play for real, real quarters that is.

I've never busted a 1,000 unit bank on either system during this testing phase.  Gotten close a few times.  I'm prepared to go beyond a 1,000 units if need be.  I haven't needed more than 400 in actual play.  In testing I've been down 900 plus once.  It would be a nightmare session to ever bust a 2,000 unit bank.  I know it can happen.  But the way I stop and start in certain situations, it would be the worst luck imaginable.  Sometimes I'm digging out of the hole for longer than I like, but it has to be done to keep the volatility down.

I've worked with these systems until I have my Masters in The Very Near and a doctorate in Tera TNT (Dynamic Balance is another name for it). 

Any time I lose 7 out of 10 bets, I stop play until I get 3 paper wins in a row.  This can slow the game down a bit, but it's saved my bacon multiple times.  Sometimes it turns from bad to good right when I stop betting and all I did was throw away the chance to win 3 times in a row, but other times I skip over prolonged streaks of losing 7 or so times out of 10 that can last for 20 to 30 spins and would have cost me dearly. 

All I'm saying is that I can't even imagine playing these systems without a decent progression.  By the way, I'm up well over 1,000 units on both games.  I just love to play with progressions and I hate to play flat bets.  Maybe the "Kraken" will show up some day and change my mind for me, but till then I can tell you that progressions are a lot more exciting than flat betting.

GLC

[Chrisbis]

Hey George.

how many step levels (of progression) would being 900 down represent?

[iggiv]

I totally agree with Steve here...

[GLC]

Hey George.

how many step levels (of progression) would being 900 down represent?

There's no way to assign a number of levels because of the nature of the progressions.  With The Very Near ... you bet 1 unit until you win and all losses  up to that win get distributed into 7 different recovery banks.  These banks are where the bet size increases because you bet all the units in a bank and if you lose, those units are distributed into the existing banks.  With some bad luck while betting the contents of these banks, the losses can climb pretty high.

Tera TNT's progression is based on the Oscar's Grind method of increasing the bet size after wins.  The number of units you increase by grows if you are having a bad streak, but the control number increases by more steps also.  This is supposed to create a "Dynamic Balance" to keep you in the game long enough to have a good win to loss ratio stretch so you can recover.

Search the forum for both The Very Near and Tera TNT and you can get a better sense of what I'm talking about.  It's not like a marty or a fibo where you can know exactly how many losses in a row you've had at any given number of units down.

They're both pretty complicated, especially The Very Near.  Wow!  It's a mess because of the author's English.  I don't even know if I truly understand exactly how he wants you to play it, so I devised my own method keeping it as close to his as I think necessary.  Tera TNT is pretty straightforward.  It does take pen and paper, but the basic idea is easy to grasp.

By the way, The Very Near is in our download section if you're interested.  Take a read through it and you'll see what I mean.

GLC

[catalyst]

I just love to play with progressions and I hate to play flat bets.  Maybe the "Kraken" will show up some day and change my mind for me, but till then I can tell you that progressions are a lot more exciting than flat betting.
GLC

I am enjoing "Clash of the Titans" in this thread after long time. I would like to point out that flat betting also exciting as 'Jeus' show up from time to time as saviour. I have transformed GLC's 'two up and zero down' progression as 'multi level flat progression' using safety brake and  parlay and it seems to me ' I am invincible' to deny going to hole that also employ even regression and virtual technique. for the progreession idea, i am grateful to GLC.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU GEORGE!

CATALYST