RNG vs Real Wheel (RW)

[Joe]

If you're planning on using data downloads from Roulette Extreme you should know that the data is also corrupt.  For example, the Wiesbaden  table one data is a mix of several different wheels over a period of time.  You won't have any way of knowing when the wheels were changed by just looking at the data.

Good point, but I don't use RX and got the spins from this site. There are 1 million spins and they are supposed to be from the same table. 

I may post a biased wheel number stream in segments on the forum for people to try and play, just so they can see how well their systems perform.

Great idea! Please do it.

[Joe]

Well I got the chi-square for all 1 million spins. Result? no difference really, certainly nothing significant statistically. 

There was one number in the real spins file which hit 27, 504 times (expectation is 27, 027 times). This is a standard deviation of nearly 3, but that's nothing to get excited about.

In my experience it seems that numbers on a real wheel can stay hotter or colder for longer, but that might be just my perception, I don't have any hard data to back up the theory, at least not yet.

[nottophammer]

Joe you've done your million spins and say no difference really.

So you're at the B+M, lets say 60 seconds a spin and you'll be there 2 hours, so 120 spins.

What did you learn from the 1 million spins to help you win in the 120 spins.

This is why you want to see what happens in 60 spins, not the million spins.

Good luck, your buddy general will show you the way

[nottophammer]

Joe 185 real spins posted on here.



Joe the Trot of the 37, from spin 11



I'll skip the 1 million spins

[The General]

Joe,

When using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated.
Also, I wasn't aware that there was any source of one million spins on this website.  Where did you find them?

[The General]

Notto,

I'm not sure as to why you post examples of so few spins.  What's the purpose? 



Is it the trot?   

[Joe]

Joe, When using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated. Also, I wasn't aware that there was any source of one million spins on this website.  Where did you find them?

I don't have the information regarding spin direction, just the spins. I got them from this thread :
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7339.0
There's a link to the original source further down the thread. So you're saying that just the spins themselves can't be distinguished from RNG, you need further information? This seems to contradict what you were saying earlier, unless I misunderstood. ;-)

[Joe]

What did you learn from the 1 million spins to help you win in the 120 spins. This is why you want to see what happens in 60 spins, not the million spins.

notto, trying to find a difference between RNG and real spins in 60 spins or 185 spins is pointless. I'm interested in finding out whether there's a difference, whatever it takes. BTW, what is the "Trot"? I know what the trots is but I don't think that's what you mean. ;-)

[The General]

don't have the information regarding spin direction, just the spins. I got them from this thread :
link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7339.0

Joe,

That data is a blend of spins from several wheels over an extended period of time.  It's the German wheel data, it's the same data that you will find in Roulette Extreme.  Unfortunately that data is going to be washed out.
I have spin data that I can share with you if you really want to see comparisons.  In the data file it will even show dates and dealers.  I already have the data posted in standard deviation charts, correlation calculations, chi square, etc. 

So you're saying that just the spins themselves can't be distinguished from RNG, you need further information?

To what post are you referring??  In small samples of course not.  In large samples, yes I can tell a difference most of the time.

Are you in the US or the UK?

[Joe]

I have spin data that I can share with you if you really want to see comparisons.

That would be cool, thanks. I'm in the UK.

[maestro]

When using live spin data make sure you keep spin directions segregated.

spin direction mkes no freaking impact 

[The General]

spin direction mkes no freaking impact 

Oh really?  Have any data to back that up?

[Joe]

So General, when are you going to upload the spin data?

[maestro]

Oh really?  Have any data to back that up?

yep

[Joe]

As the two data sets grow, the chi squares diverge from each other. On the live wheel after several thousand spins the chi could be well over a hundred or even a few hundred. On the RNG the chi may move up and down a little but it will usually remain below 50 or 60 on the high side.