Is the variance finite?

[Ralph]

I have before seen about the same cluster of other numbers, but only one of the same more, and it has allways in such case been 4 of a kind in a row.  I was playing number two until the first number 2 show, if I stayed???

[weddings]

how many spins was that after you started?

[Chrisbis]

"Finite" Ralph.........U may have time to change the header as the Topic mod.

Finit is a slang word used in UK by people who can not speak proper -like!! LoL


....and yes, if only U had stayed on the 2!!......!!
[reveal=Notice also.....] ...also notice on that Marquee...the Zero Finales coming in....30....20....10...I bet Zero would have been there soon if U were on Zero Roulette![/reveal]

[Ralph]

how many spins was that after you started?

Started play roulette?  60 years! Do not know how many(millions) spins.
Started today?   About 1300 spins.
The position in the random string from casino?  36.
Since I launch the game last?  36 spins.

[Ralph]

"Finite" Ralph.........U may have time to change the header as the Topic mod.

Finit is a slang word used in UK by people who can not speak proper -like!! LoL


....and yes, if only U had stayed on the 2!!......!!
[reveal=Notice also.....] ...also notice on that Marquee...the Zero Finales coming in....30....20....10...I bet Zero would have been there soon if U were on Zero Roulette![/reveal]

English is not my native language, its not my second, and the spell checker do not cover the headline. I am not here to take lessons, so we have to do the best, if I used my first language as all in UK can,  proper or not, very few could be able to read it.

[Chrisbis]

I wasn't giving any lesson, just trying to help, like as in the other site. 
I will not make the mistake again Ralph.....I'll just stick to the spins.
I know English is not Ur first language.
[reveal]the fact is U have changed it, so maybe it was worth a mention. cheers Mr R[/reveal]

[TwoCatSam]

Ralph

It's like when I called Turner a "Brit".  Geez, you'd have thought he was a fightin' chicken with his spurs on.  Took  ol' TwoCat down a notch or two.  Yet on NBC Nightly News I hear that word all the time.  Especially during that Queen thingy that just past.

Language is strange.  If someone said to me, "Hey, you like fried chicken and watermelon?", I'd just say "Yep!".  Some African-Americans could easily be offended by such a question. 

On another note.......and speaking of language..

You want to see a good movie?  Go see "42".  While you're at it, go see "D'Jango Unchained".  Imagine those movies with the words "black" or "African-American' in them.  Then you will understand Mark Twain.  They are way not politically correct.

Ah, geez............I bloviated again!!

Sam

Holy Moses, I forgot the topic.........

Ralph,

I am running a bot testing that question.  Jl says random has its limits.  He may very well be right to the point of profitability.  We shall see!

[Turner]

@sam.....Dont get me started on the brit thing....lol
@topic
Variance is how we win or rather what we need to study to win. Maths is no use over the tiny timeline we sit working within a giant random sample. The maths is in the giant random sample....the variance is at the table for 2 hours.
Its like when we get a bad winter and people talk about a new ice age and global warming. Ice ages take 1000's of years to develop. The bad winter is variance not prophacy.
Random is a mini model of vaiance and entropy.

I need a lie down now.

[Ralph]

Ralph,

I am running a bot testing that question.  Jl says random has its limits.  He may very well be right to the point of profitability.  We shall see!

I think it is no limit, but it is just of theoretical issue. Some extreme variance will occur once in   billions of years.
Some will be like the probable  all the air around me by chance disappears and I choked.
All series of 21 numbers are so unique that we will probably never see two alike in our lifetime.
I think JL said virtual limits.

[Chrisbis]

@ Topic (and rightfully too Turner..............and the Turner prize for returning to Topic goes to.............>)

Here is a little Topic that everyone should read who has an interest in the game of Roulette.

Its the quintessential way to avoid variance as much as poss, and come out ahead.
I play this way everyday, since I started in the subject back in 2011, with a posting in the same vein....only someone now has put real teeth into the beast, and "Only Gone and Blown the Bloody Doors offa it!"


Good luck everyone..................Now................Lets spin that wheel!

[Ralph]

We should not mix up games which it is possible to have a +EV, and roulette. If we have a positive expectation, we want the variance very low, and use the sure way of making profit.

If we play roulette which has a negative expectation, we NEED to have the variance to win, we have to be on the right side.
If we eliminate the variance in roulette, we bet all numbers, and we are sure to lose "in the short run".

[TwoCatSam]

Ralph

You're right.  He did say "virtual" limits, which has no meaning.

I'm saying there may be a way to profitability in spite of loosing now and then.  Again, I may be wrong.  Time and spins will tell.  But I test it with real nickels and I'm up around 70 Euro.

No Johnlegend statements from me!!

Aside:  I'll just call you Turner!!  LOL

Sam

[Turner]

This has to be the most the word "Turner" has showed  in one subject. Its just variance

I have tested 10million spins and there does appear to be random limits....sleeping dozens, single no.s hitting in a row....red hitting 24 times. They dont perform like a beggars monkey though. The events in them selves are random as to when they appear.

Do those random appearances have limits?....I bet if they do, they are random.....etc, etc...and down the rabbit hole.

[TwoCatSam]

Turner

Random is a fact of life; we cannot deny that.  I would not begin to try.

But work with me here.........

What if random cost you 500 units four times out of ten and won you 500 units six times out of ten?  I am running a program on the bot that "seems" to do just that. 

Back to the airplane.  Gravity pulls down with a force of X.  Aerodynamics pulls upward with a force of X + 1. 

It could happen!

Sam

[Turner]

Its happening in my recent tests and idea, Sam. Played 6 tables speilbank. 4 produced 300u or so in 40 spins. 1 produced 1375u and one died a cruel death alone....-400u. Do the maths.