DNA OF ROULETTE SYSTEM: Your opinions, please

[dangle]

This seems to be going the same way most systems do, that is, as its flaws are repeatedly exposed, they are addressed, which leads to new flaws, which are addressed and so the vicious circle begins.   Then the system becomes so convoluted and understood exclusively only by the author, that it's finally impractical to use it.   There appear now to be so many rules and criteria that it would take many months for some players to grasp the concept. . . some will never get it.   At the end of the day, making the system incomprehensible is pointless since any test will still render the same results as picking dozens at random.   

Save yourself some time and take what you can from the money management ideas and move on.   

[esoito]

Easy there, dangle.  Don reads this thread...

Plus he's a gentleman who is freely giving his time and method to everyone.

So kindness shown for kindness received will not go amiss.

In response to your post he requested we post his reply.

So here it is, deserving of careful reading and study:


I can understand the frustrations of Mr. Dangle but his comments need a clarification from me.

I started this experiment not to find a way to outperform the roulette table but to justify a point in my book titled "Above Rationality: Strategy & Decision Optimization Under Conditions of Uncertainty", to highlight a shortcoming (identify a missing step) in the present nine-step Decision Making Process being used in the world, that a decision must be implemented after it being fully optimized. I just wanted to see the extent to which a basic stragety could be improved.

Strategy P1AM2A is a numerical pattern I observed after a deep concentration using mind power on data tables (I do a lot of meditation). I have a very high aptitude for numerical analysis and remembering numbers. My website has another similar application to prove that the whole world is wrong when it comes to finalizing interviews and competitions. column's Dilemma I created to educate the Sri Lankan Military is one of the most advanced simulations in the world today that I get invited by other regional countries to teach it.

I launched the first edition on 15th December 2009 in Colombo and nobody believed me. Upto today P1AM2A had no flaws and it has not changed. If you play with that continuously for every spin, you will have a surplus in the long run even today but crucial issue is whether the return is sufficent, in view of the risk, investment and time expended.

All what I did was optimized it from six perspectives namely waiting time, initial investment, risk, decision escalation (as we commence wagring it starts going the other way), user friendliness and most importantly return on investment .

(a) Waiting Time: a user of System column, Mr. Richard Farrow from New Zealand informed me that he had to wait for 1 1/2 hours for the MEC1 to emerge and I went through the 120 data samples and made the MEC1 more flexible and introdued MEC2. The objective of introducing them is not to correct flaws but to identify the point where the sign curve emerges (the winning trend which emerges like a sea wave and the player has to ride it like a surfer, get on top of it as it emerges and exit before it crashes). In the 6th and 7th editions, I added another sophisticated advanced condition to further optimize the waiting time by riding the remaining part of a session, if a session has already got activated.

(b) Investment: After studying all 120 data samples I found that the most optimal investment required is 15 chips. I arrived at this number after having tested all samples being examined for the range from 4 - 20 chips. 15 yielded the maximum return. This also leads to a natural exit condition to exit when the number of chips is insufficient to wager.  

(c) Risk: As a sea wave does not continue to rise, I wanted to see the height of wave to get out of it. I tested this for the net surpluses for the range from of 6 -20 chips and found the optimal height to be 9. That is how the most sigificant two exit conditions are defined to exit if the SV exceeds 9 or to get out after the critical spin if the last spin does not come right. In addition, I observed as to what happens if you continue after incurring a zero. Then I found that the yield is less if you contiue. So, I introduced another exit point with zero.    

(d) Decision Escalation: I found that as we start commence wagering with the emergence of an Entry Condition, we start losing from the first spin and end up losing the whole thing. Then I realized that it is caused by the Inverse P1AM2A coming into effect. As one researcher observed I initially tried to recover using P2AM1A which I termed as the counter Strategy ( which I used up to the 4th Edition as the recovery process) but later realized that Inverse P1AM2A leads to a speedy and a higher relative frequency to recover. So, introduction of the Inverse P1AM2A is not a correction of a flaw but an overall improvement. Then, I introduced two subsequent exit points to exit the Invese strategy if the predicability diminishes and the game starts heading towards chaos.

(e) User Friendliness: I introduced two criteria. If you are doing manual calcuations and wagering in the real casino, to go by the two MECs and MSSCs only. It is difficult to practice the three Advance Criteria in the real environment for two reasons, the disturbance factors and the complexity. So, calculate the EV, identify one of the two MECs, commence wagering, use one of the two MSSCs if necessary and exit. However, if the computer program is to be used I could accomodate thee other conditions that would enhance the return on investment. How we are designing the system now is for the user to key in the last number and the computer will visually project where to place the next bet. However, for those who want to study the mechanism, we will make the sophisticated instrument panel also available as an option. Also, we will provied the user with the flexibility of using the advance mode with a high relative frequency of falirue (6/15 sesions) and the basic mode with a low relative frequency of failure (4/15 sessions) as an option.

(f) Return on Investment: a new concept which came to my mind (in a dream) to use the same 4 chips per spin to wager inside instead of wagering for dozens and columns, when either a (+ +) or a (+ -) or a (- +) is being suggested by the system. This is the most significant enhancement ever made.

So, in a nutshell all changes have been made not to correct the flaws but to enhance the system. I did not add any new condition, unless it improved the ROI in general for all modes of spinning. So, Mr. Dangle's misconception of introducing new conditions as correction of flaws is incorrect.

What I have ultimately achieved is enhancing the return per spin of .25 chips in the First Editon for live-spin mode to a return per spin of 1.12 chips by the 7th Edition on the identical data sheets which is a 366% improvement, while reducing the time taken by exactly 80%.

Please upload this comment to clarify the point raised by Mr. Dangle and for everyone to understand my effort behind this exercise. My sole objective is to help the world to benifit out of my thinking. That is why I gave it free.

Wait patiently until we upload the software product.

Best Regards

Don  

[chrisbis]

@Don

Fabulous and Fascinating article Don.

Thank you for the explanation, and feedback.

Following your progress with great interest, and a measure of expectation.

Thank You.

(and thanks to Es for posting!)

[esoito]

Latest advice and update:

In order to be absolutely clear that the the roulette community understands the Advance Criterion Three, we added two visual images to demonstrate the example.

I went to my nephew's house yesterday and he was hard at work even after midnight towards having the software being uploaded by the 15th December.

Please create a link and upload this visually enhanced version.

I think it is appropriate to inactivate/remove all previous links given in our roulette forum now, as this is the ultimate user friendly version that I can create.

Best Regards

Don

[malcop]

Hi All,

Please find bellow the latest email from Don, please it is not an update to the system just Don trying to keep us in the loop.

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Attached herewith is a real data set from BBM online Casino I just obtained. It is in 100% conformity with the rules and regulations. Until the software is uploaded, this will become a guideline for the community on how to do the computations manually and make money.

Best Regards

Don
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The attachment is a data sheet from a recent live session, the idea is if anyone is playing/learning the most up-to date version of this system, will be able to go though this data sheet and see if they fully understand and can play it manually as per the updated rules.

On behalf of everyone on this forum I would like to thank Don for all the hard work he is clearly putting into this project, and I for one can't wait for the software to be released so that I/we can test/play this method, with the hope that it can achieve long term profits,  that would be a very nice Christmas present for all of us 

Let's be honest here folks this is not costing us anything but our time when the software is released, then it will be up to us to find the time to run through our own data, and be able to determine if this system is for us or not, and does what it says on the box!


Thanks

malcop

[chrisbis]

Thanks for the update Malcop.

Interesting data.

In the 37 spins registered, the #33 appears 5 times!!
That would have been some roller-coaster ride if some playing the same wheel at the same time, had been playing the repeater game I call- "Follow Me"

#33 returning Bet value x 5 x 36 (potential, less bets stakes) = a little tidy sum!!

There are other repeaters too.

(and the first #33 appears quite early on in the session)

cheers Don for the data & keeping the interest in the subject flowing.

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here are a couple of emails of interest:

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Dear Mr Colonne,

I am sorry to say that I noticed there is a mistake at the DATA SHEET you sent me...

In cell B17 there SHOULD BE a "+" and NOT a "-"... We have a "3" coming after "5", that belongs in the same dozen, that means "+"...Therefore, you understand that everything else goes on the other way and I think we have to inverse at spin 30...

Please, check it yourself as well, maybe I am wrong...

Why don't use the spreadsheet of Trylobit (the one that I have already sent you and attach again in my email)? I believe it is safer when calculating the EVs... But I am not sure about the MSC..Take a look and tell me please.


Keep up the good work but take care!
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You are absolutely right. I have made a human error in coding, which amounted to utter confusion and a loss of potential earnings. You can see that me being a master at this can make such stupid human errors. This is crystal clear session of you killing the casion with two spins on the idle mode and two spins on the normal mode and making a net gain of 35 chips in four spins.

Advance Criterion 2 occurs at the 32nd and 33rd spins corresponding to the outcomes 33 and 30 respectively, which gives a net gain of 16, if advance criteria 3 is used. The first ever MEC pertaining to this session emerges at the 35th Spin and the next two spins give a net surplus of 19. The 37th Spin is a critical spin and that is where you get out. So, if you played this real session, within four spins you have made a net surplus of 35 chips, which I consider to be a Tsunami on the Casino.

Thank you so much for pointing out the human error. This gave me further confidence that the system is fine tuned and optimized in a crystal clear manner.

By copy to Malcolm, I request to upload the observation made by Michael and my subsequent response with correction. Also, please attached the correct data sheet pertining to the explanation.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All


Here is an update from Don.

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Attached herewith are the latest readings I obtained this morning from the BBM Casino in Colombo (I rigorously tested the coding and the NSO, after yesterday's experience in regard to human errors). The results are fantastic. It is in perfect conformity with my criteria such as MEC1, MEC2, MSSC1, Critical Spin etc.

In regard to the System Design, we thought of providing the both the Basic and Advance modes of playing. However, I now wonder whether the players will get put off, if they encounter losses upfront with the advance strategy, as the relative frequency of failure is high, despite higher ROI. You two being the most frequent communicators with me what is your opinion?

I returnd past midnight yesterday from my nephew's house, who was hard at work to meet the deadline even by the time I left!

Best Regards

Don

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My Reply to the above email.

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Hi Don,

I think the user should be able to chose both methods of play before they start, as long as you point out the risk verses rewards of both methods of play then the user can make an informed choice before the commence play with the system.

Thanks

Philip

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Please take a look at the data sheet, if you have any comments for Don then please reply it this post we all know now that Don is monitoring this thread, and would appreciate any comments/suggestions you may have.

Thanks

malcop

[chrisbis]

Did the software release come through yet chaps? 

[esoito]

Not yet. Soon. Hopefully... 

[A3on]

Any news my friends?

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here is the latest update:
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We have not been able to upload the most comprehensive version. It is 3 in the morning in Colombo but as promised we are giving something tangible before midnight on the 15th December in your countries as promised. We have fully tested the computation of EV and accurate direction to wager for the next spin. Please ask the forum members to look at the MECs and commence wagering, change the strategy to inverse if necessary and exit appropriately. We intend to come out with the full package within the next few days incrementally.  

Attached herewith is the newest e-book with correct terminology used in the software package. Also, given below is the link to use the Alpha Version of the software.

We wish you a Merry Christmas and help you to celebrate it !!!!!!!!!

Best Regards

Don & Dulan

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/index.html

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Note: you need flash installed for your browser for the software to work.

Thanks

Malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Udate
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We tested 100s of data but I just had me being directed to a wrong place in one of the sessions I was playing. Until we correct it, please ask the members to refrain from using this for actual wagering. Also, if they encounter any problems while playing, please ask them to send the sequence of numbers which led to the error.

Best Regards

Don

I had a problem with the numbers 34,5,23,28,34,17,26,35,24,6,35,34,26,8,27,23,8,10,4,5and 5 got coded as AK instead of AL.

By copy to Dulan, I am requesting to analyze this isolated condition and correct the program immediately.

Until, I give the green light, please ask the users to strictly use the program for data testing only.

Best Regards


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Thanks

Malcop
Don

[malcop]

Hi All,

Another Update
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I retested again and it worked. This is a problem of entering data too fast. In fact, when we tested the data yesterday, we had the same problem and Dulan was to fix it today. Please ask the users to use the TAB KEY to go to the next record, after pressing the ENTER BUTTON and also to leave about 4 Seconds between entries, without rushing. Also, ask them to be mindful if they get the same D/ID and C/ID of the previous records, until we fix this technical problem. It is not a logic error but a technical error associated with data entry that we are aware of.

PLEASE UPLOAD THIS COMMENT, TO ALERT THE COMMUNITY ABOUT THIS TECHNICAL PROBLEM.

Best Regards

Don

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I noticed that the software dose not do any sort of error trapping, so you are able to enter any number, I have asked Don if error trapping could be implemented in the software.

Thanks

malcop

[chrisbis]

It looks good.  
Not sure yet, as to the outcome of the software. ? ( Bug free too)  

How many #numbers does one need to input for the minimum analysis?

Has anyone else tried the software link?  

BTW, as Don says, the need for less haste, and data entry via the 'tab' button, is vital.

Click on the second column first line(OUTCOME),
till the 0 goes live, then enter Ur spun number, and then hit return.
That enters the data into the server,
U must then hit 'TAB' to move down to the next entry point (OUTCOME)

Screen shot below
(Hope Don doesn't mind- I thought this was open source information)
Shows the top of the page, just part of the columns.

Cheers Don, Dulan, Malcop, Esoito for all the superb updates, and follow up.

And A Very Merry Christmas To Don and his team. x

Topic Starter to Moderate on these images if they are not to be shown yet. Cheers.

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