DNA OF ROULETTE SYSTEM: Your opinions, please

[MyTHOS_R]

Well Malcop,

I really tried to be polite in my previous post but sice you were not, I do not have to be from now on as well.

I already told at lest three times in my posts in this thread that I WAS ONE OF THE FIRST BELIEVERS of this system.  THAT'S WHAT I WAS DOING IN THIS FORUM.  But it seems that beside the fact that your IQ level approaches a five-year-old boy (since you cannot understand the simple fact that long-term means EITHER CONSECUTIVE OR NON-CONSECUTIVE SPINS), you also are not able to read.  So I AM now wondering what on earth YOU are doing in this forum.  You should read your High school lessons right now instead!

I was not negative.  I just posted my results, which WERE NEGATIVE and tried to save you some time before you come to the same conclusion but ONLY AFTER playing for ages (BASED ON YOUR INTUITION) instead of running robot consecutive spins. 

However, since you're so much stubborn (as ofcourse every child of your age is anyway), you may run 1. 000. 000. 000 sessions to realize a simple palin fact.  You are a free person.

It is just a pitty. . 

Of course, it would be much-much better to make all these tests based ONLY in your INTUITION, which seems to be in a lot higher level than your brightness! But if, we had to follow our instinct, why on earth would we have to follow a so-high-tech sytem at the same time?. . .  Nevertheless, don't bother to destroy your brains trying to answer and a follow such a high-levelled discussion. . .

Please, give us a break.

Take care.  Good luck at your school exams.

[Twisteruk]

Ok guys, thats enough. No more bickering


Please, malcop continue with your testing

[malcop]

Hi All,

Udate email

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We had a hard look at the program and found that there were several major issues with certain logic. These issues lead to erratic behavior of the program and was not consistent with the book. For example, a test data-set what should have yielded  a +20 ended up with a -4 owing to this error.

We apologize for any inconvenience and disappointment caused.

In regard to your last mail on "Table Exit Rule" we simply issue a warning and wagering may continue at the discretion of the player.

We humbly request those who tested data with the previous program to re-test the same data and report.

We will endeavor to improve the program and if any inconsistencies are observed in comparison with the book, send an e-mail to darcolonne@yahoo.com.

Please post this e-mail to the discussion forum on top priority basis.

Best Regards
Don & Dulan

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I do hope that this will explain the poor performance some of you have been having.

Update to my testing I had a high of +45 and now stands at +22 due to last few sessions being a bit of a roller coaster, you know win one lose sort of thing.  I will try and do some more testing with the updated software but not sure how much, but hopefully the update/fix will improve the performance.

I am also in the middle of testing a system I got from Team Roulette a while ago called Stealth Roulette I modified the MM rules and it is doing very well so far, it is based on the Law of the Third and uses the Six-Lines(or double streets as some people call them)  to make its bets.  Stealth Roulette was changed to Accumulator Roulette because their was someone else advertising a system with the same name, I have 4 of their systems but two of their best ones are based on dealer signature, I play mostly online with live dealers and by the time you track and start to play they make a dealer change, seems to be around every 20 minutes so they work best at B&M casinos, by the way this is not an advert for Team Roulette because as far as I can see they no longer exist, their website closed down around 6 months ago.  If anyone knows of them or where they went would be great if you cold let me know.

Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Dulan,

As I explained over the telephone, I just applied the following data set and found an error associated with the AC3

23 18 14 32 25 5 29 19 29 0 12 11 20 6 30 30 3 10 (EXR3 got activated but the system directed to wager for the next spin under AC3 which led to a loss of -4. Actually, no wagering should have taken place for the next spin) 3 ...............

You seem to be aware of where the error is. Please try to correct it tonight as the credibility and reliability of the system is extensively criticized in the discussion forum. I know that you are preparing for a major examination next week upto the 5th February and I promised you not to disturb you until it is over but please try to oblige by rectifying the error tonight.

Until we rectify this bug we request the users to be extremely cautious in using AC3, especially if a loss of -4 is incurred with it at the next spin after being directed for the first time under AC3.

By copy to Philip, I request to post this e-mail to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[MyTHOS_R]

This is Don's latest mail to me and Malcop. . .

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"Dear Philip

We had a hard look at the program and found that there were several major issues with certain logic.  These issues lead to erratic behavior of the program and was not consistent with the book.  For example, a test data-set what should have yielded  a +20 ended up with a -4 owing to this error.

We apologize for any inconvenience and disappointment caused.

In regard to your last mail on "Table Exit Rule" we simply issue a warning and wagering may continue at the discretion of the player.

We humbly request those who tested data with the previous program to re-test the same data and report.

We will endeavor to improve the program and if any inconsistencies are observed in comparison with the book, send an e-mail to darcolonne@yahoo. com.

Please post this e-mail to the discussion forum on top priority basis.

Best Regards
Don & Dulan"

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Do you see now Malcop that I was 100% right ?

There was an error on the software that made it incomprehensive with the book.  That is why it produced terribly negative results.  I re-run my 350 consecutive spins session test with the corrected version and ofcourse it went remarkably better.  However it still seems to have a losing ration, only a little softer this time.  It lost 21 units at the end (instead of 52).

And a last comment. . .

When it comes to "flat bet systems" (like DNA of roulette), WE DO NOT USE "MONEY MANAGEMENT"! Money management is defined ONLY IN PROGRESSION SYSTEMS (another basic roulette terminology term).  At flat bet systems you just flat bet and EITHER YOU WIN OR YOU LOSE YOUR WAGERED MONEY. . .

[malcop]

Hi All,

Another update

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Dear Dulan,

Test the following number set and as a result of EXR3 does not work under AC1, the system led to a loss of -12

26 35 0 5 25 29 26 25 22 28 4 20 35 23 17 13 20 24 23 4 32 30 3 28 25 (AC1 get activated) 34 (EXR3 shall appear and wagering must terminate, instead wagering continues) 20 1 0

The latter 3 spins should not have been wagered for.

By copy to Malcolm, I want this e-mail to be posted to the forum and advise the players to get out of AC1 which uses just 5 chips as CIH, if the CIH becomes insufficient to wager. Owing to the bug, the system will continue to direct even after that, without exiting from AC1.

As Dulan is sitting for an examination, he will not be able to correct the bug until the 6th . Thus, the players have to take decilsions by observing.

Please post this to the discussion forum immediately.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[marivo]

advise the players to get out of AC1 which uses just 5 chips as CIH, if the CIH becomes insufficient to wager. Owing to the bug, the system will continue to direct even after that, without exiting from AC1.

Maybe you can explain what exactly does it mean?

[malcop]

Hi All,

Update email

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Dear Philip,

Thank you so much for posting my comments and keeping the forum alive. I find the system going very well with the London based Smart Live Casino. I continue to monitor the system looking for bugs until I am reasonably comfortable to make it a beta version so that the players can use it with confidence.

In regard to Bug 1 I reported yesterday, I realized that the same deprives an AC4 emerging as well, until an MEC occurs. Therefore, the players shall resolve to wagering manually immediately upon AC1 emerges assuming that the CIH is 5 and take the exit decision offline. Also, they have to be on the alert for any AC4 emerging subsequent to this exit points and do the needful manually. I am sure that you would have incurred unnecessary losses as well as deprived from potential gains owing to this bug, despite the fact that you made a +45. It should have been more. Also, I am sure that the loss of 21 incurred by the player who tested 350 spins would find the loss being further reduced, once this bug is corrected.

The bug can be cleared only on the 6th, after Dulan's exam. Until such time, I request the players to handle the spins between emergence of AC1 until emergence of a MEC manually.

Please upload this comment.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here is a couple of emails that I would like you all to look at, the first one was from me to Don with regard to the current bugs in the software, the second one his Don's response.

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Hi Don,

I know you are almost their as far as getting the software working correctly, but I think it would be best to tell the users on the forum to  wait until the bugs have been removed before using the software.  I know you have said that they can ignore AC and various modes until they have been fixed but it is plain from the questions that most people do not know what you are talking about, because they have not read the manual or fully understand it.

So I think for now they should be told to suspend using the software all together and just play manually until the problems have been rectified.  If thy continue to use the software and more bugs are found it will destroy all the hard work that you and Dulan have put into this project.

Thanks

Philip

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Dear Philip,

It is a matter of three days only and AC3 bug is a rare occurance and it can go 50-50 this way and that way also. So, it is not extremely harmful for the people to be told not to use the system, as they may lose confidence in it. I also got it only once and the loss it led to was just 10 chips. Therefore, we will let them play and by uploading our communication, we can keep them informed. Once we fix this, I am of the view that the system will be bug free becuase I did extensive data testing at my end. Also, after the 5th, even if there are any bugs, Dulan and I can fix it spontaneously. So, in my view let it be as it is. Please upload your suggestion below and then this response from mine, so that the players will understand that we do it with a commitment and a sense of responsibility.

Best Regards

Don

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I think this was the fairest way to do this by me emailing Don with my concerns, about the software Don has responded so it is up to you if you want to use the software now or wait until the 5th, of course you could always just play/test the system manually it is all in the most recent ebook.

Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here is a couple of emails that I would like you all to look at, the first one was from me to Don with regard to the current bugs in the software, the second one his Don's response.

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Hi Don,

I know you are almost their as far as getting the software working correctly, but I think it would be best to tell the users on the forum to  wait until the bugs have been removed before using the software.  I know you have said that they can ignore AC and various modes until they have been fixed but it is plain from the questions that most people do not know what you are talking about, because they have not read the manual or fully understand it.

So I think for now they should be told to suspend using the software all together and just play manually until the problems have been rectified.  If thy continue to use the software and more bugs are found it will destroy all the hard work that you and Dulan have put into this project.

Thanks

Philip

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Dear Philip,

It is a matter of three days only and AC3 bug is a rare occurance and it can go 50-50 this way and that way also. So, it is not extremely harmful for the people to be told not to use the system, as they may lose confidence in it. I also got it only once and the loss it led to was just 10 chips. Therefore, we will let them play and by uploading our communication, we can keep them informed. Once we fix this, I am of the view that the system will be bug free becuase I did extensive data testing at my end. Also, after the 5th, even if there are any bugs, Dulan and I can fix it spontaneously. So, in my view let it be as it is. Please upload your suggestion below and then this response from mine, so that the players will understand that we do it with a commitment and a sense of responsibility.

Best Regards

Don

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I think this was the fairest way to do this by me emailing Don with my concerns, about the software Don has responded so it is up to you if you want to use the software now or wait until the 5th, of course you could always just play/test the system manually it is all in the most recent ebook.

I have one final thought and this is to Don, I think their is some merit in what MyTHOS_R has said on more than one occasion on this forum about the MEC2 I also have found that the last spreadsheet that Andy created did performed better than the recent software, maybe it was because of bugs or maybe some modification is needed who knows only you can tell us!


Thanks

malcop

[vundarosa]

As it stands the results are not so encouraging.  Have been testing on different casinos to see if it would yeld different results on some but I am most of the time on the negative or go negative quite fast after being positive.  No matter the casino used.  Even using the spread sheet, i still come out negative, just that i play longer before an exit condition. . .

So, as I do not understand what this "AC and various modes " is I guess I wait till the 6th for the corrected version and continue testing it from my end.

Also, has Don changed is comments about not using the software for testing against online automatic machines? I don't know if he realises that thats how most users will be using it, at least me thinks so.


Vundarosa

[MyTHOS_R]

Vundarosa, Don's system AND the software has been developed and SHOULD be used ONLY ON LIVE WHEELS, NOT RNG machines. Nothing has changed or will change. The law of thirds is valid ONLY on live wheels and since this system is based on this law, there you have your answer.

For the old members...I have tested 1500 CONSECUTIVE live spins with Trylobits's excel spreadsheet and the system (which is applying ONLY MEC1) is running tremendously well with a total gain of 43 units. It suffered ONLY 3-4 totally unsuccessfull sessions (meaning that they lost the whole 15 units bankroll) out of 50 total sessions so far. All the rest sessions were winners with a gain varying from 1-12 units each one. After each session, I was resetting the sheet. That means that I was starting to fill in the following numbers from the top of the sheet, so that it would re-evaluate the situation. I really believe that Don's software should work in this way as well (maybe including also MECE2, if he thinks that this is correct), BUT NOT EVALUATING CONTINOUSLY. Perhaps, the error is that it should reset after every W/L session. Only Don knows that for sure. I am just saying that in this way, the system works remarkably well and that he should probably re-estimate his software functions.

I'm on my way to complete a 10.000 spins sample. Then I will post my results.

Cheers

[chrisbis]

With a little bit of luck- always useful in this game,
and a fair wind, the chaps in Colomba
will be able to tweak this baby back into some measure of:-  "better than average" success.

The software correction will be here soon enough, I'm certain of that.  

[vundarosa]

MyTHOS_R , thx for your reply.  How long are your sections and where do you end them?, based on a number of spins or number of total units won, +9?

vundarosa

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here is a email update I received a few minutes ago

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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, we express our sincere gratitude to Mythos for providing us with the most valuable and most significant guideline. We adhered to refreshing the system after a session exit at a loss of 6 or more. This will confine a session loss to a maximum of 9 chips and a decline from the peak will be arrested at a drop of 6.

In the process we removed the exit condition EXR4 and renamed EXR5 as EXR4. Also, in line with this cut off limit, we now only need a CIH of 9 chips.

All previous bugs are now corrected.

We termed the latest edition as 8th Edition and the manual is much reduced.

There are two modes of the software, one for testing and one for real wagering.

We've added the capability of loading a CSV file on the test mode, allowing the user to test and compare data without having to type in the spin outcomes.

In order to create a CSV file:

Copy the data to the first column of an Excel file.
Make sure that there are no blanks, invalid numbers and special characters among the data
Save as CSV file
Choose the load option from the dropdown "File" menu to load the file.

When using the software for real wagering the system will automatically lock the player out at the appropriate spin. Then the player has to reset and start from the begining with the new numbers emerging.

The user feedback will be greatly appreciated. The links to the software are as follows:

TESTING:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCTest.html

REAL WAGERING:

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARCReal.html

Please upload this on behalf of us. Good luck to the Roulette System Players.

Best Regards

Don and Dulan

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So as you Americans amongst us say "We are Good to Go!"  but please test, test, test and only when you are happy with the results you are getting use real money, and even when/if you do start to use real money use the smallest stakes you can even if it is only 0.10 and increase your stakes as your confidence in the system increases.

I would like to thank Don and Dulan for all the hard work they have put in getting this project to what we all hope is a successful stage, and I would also like to thank Mythos for all the hard work he has done with testing DNA and keeping the group and Don updates with his finding.

Mythos let's bury the hatchet and move on, at the end of the day we both want the same thing and that is for this project to be a success.

Thanks

malcop