DNA OF ROULETTE SYSTEM: Your opinions, please

[esoito]

@ flukey
You wrote:
"...my advice would be to avoid these machines if you possibly can."

Not saying you're wrong but why avoid these airball machines? I would've thought they're more random than croupier wheels.

I'm interested in your reasons only if they're based on facts and not just a gut feeling!

[flukey luke]

I'm interested in your reasons only if they're based on facts and not just a gut feeling!

A 'gut feeling' can be worth a lot more than 'so called' facts in the gambling world.  Some will agree, some will disagree. 

[malcop]

Malcop,

Maybe I am misreading it, But I think what Don is saying is that playing on live wheels and trusted RNG is fine, but to avoid the auto wheels (they are the 'real physical wheels' but without the croupier) It is interesting he says this. I have personally thought for a while now that these auto wheels are a completely different kettle of fish compared to anything else.
One thing I have noticed in a lot of testing is that sleeper systems tend to go wrong very quickly. However, if you think about it, Don's system is based on the law of the third, so if sleeper systems do not perform up to scratch, law of the third methods should be great.
So either something is wrong here or we are both paranoid after getting negative results.
One thing that I always like to take into account is that the casinos don't generally do anything to favour the player. A lot of these type of machines are slowly creeping their way in the door of casinos. It maybe mostly to do with cost effectiveness, however, my advice would be to avoid these machines if you possibly can.

Hi fluky,

You could be right, it just that he has data sheets for COL Bellagio(2009), SLC Autospin(2009), SLC Autospin(2009) and SLC Simulated(2009) which I took simulated for RNG.

Anway now I fully understand the rules to this system I can do some testing/playing later.

Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

I had an email this morning from Don the author of DNA of Roulette & Ruin of Las Vagas.

Don has asked me to share this email with the group.

"Dear Colleagues from all over the World,


I was testing the second book in the real environment and found that the actual returns are much less than the returns I got on the spread sheets. When I rechecked my data sheets again I realized that I have igonrantly disregarded the possibility of a number appearing for the first time  within a playing session comprising 13 consecutive spins (which is not among the distinct numbers present during the last 24 consecutive spins) could repeat within the same 13 spins. The actual returns are still positive but marginal and it is not worth the time spent and the investment risk. Thus, I decided to withdraw the second book. However, it was an eye-opener for other researchers to come up with a strategy to use the Law of the Third, of which I have discovered the underlying mathematical equation.

In order to compensate for this, I will defenitely develop and upload the software package to test the System Colonne using the strategy P1AM2A stipulated in the book titled "DNA of Roulette" within the month of November.

I deeply regret any inconvenience caused to any of the users of the second book. Also, I will ensure that all you gentleman become millionaires within the months to come because the first book is quite rigoruosly tested by me and it is highly effective.

Thank you for the excellent support extended to me by taking my work forward.

Also, I hereby request either Mr. Esoito or Mr. Malcolm to upload this e-mail onto the roulette discussion forum on my work.

Best Regards

Don"

Well what can I say you don't find honesty like that very often!

I had already not decide to learn DNA not because I made losses with Ruin but given the choice of 92 units per session or 15 units per session I know what I would prefer.

It looks like revision 5 is more stable than the earlier revision we will see.

All the best.

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Just giving you another update:

"Dear Philip,

Thank you so much for the understanding, I will not disappoint you this time by delaying the software package.

By copy to Dulan (my nephew and IT software support), I wish to make a request to recommence the writing of the program, as the whole world is awaiting it.

Best Regards

Don"

So with any luck we should have the software soon!

Thanks

malcop

[esoito]

You beat me to it, Malcop   

In reading his same email to me I too was impressed by his honesty about his flawed 'Vegas' offering.

And by his willingness to proceed with his software for his original DNA of Roulette which, on the face of it, seems to be successful and profitable. (Seems being the operative word)

Testing with the software, tipped for release in November, will confirm or deny what is at the least, an interesting approach.

With bated breath I await what could be an interesting ride...

[malcop]

You beat me to it, Malcop   

In reading his same email to me I too was impressed by his honesty about his flawed 'Vegas' offering.

And by his willingness to proceed with his software for his original DNA of Roulette which, on the face of it, seems to be successful and profitable. (Seems being the operative word)

Testing with the software, tipped for release in November, will confirm or deny what is at the least, an interesting approach.

With bated breath I await what could be an interesting ride...

Hi esoito,

I agree it could be an interesting ride.

What needs to be done is forget all the stuff in the manual about the reasoning behind the system and just concentrate on the rules of the system.

That's the approach I'm taking to this project anyway.

Thanks

malcop

[esoito]

I've just received an email and Don included this snippet about the software:

"Also, I went to meet my nephew, the software developer yesterday to restructure the webpages and he promised to have the program available by 15th November to be tested. "


The testing he refers to is here internal beta-testing to ensure it's OK before uploading it to his site for general release.

So things are moving along...

[malcop]

I've just received an email and Don included this snippet about the software:

"Also, I went to meet my nephew, the software developer yesterday to restructure the webpages and he promised to have the program available by 15th November to be tested. "


The testing he refers to is here internal beta-testing to ensure it's OK before uploading it to his site for general release.

So things are moving along...

Thanks for the update.

[XXVV]

Just returned from some successful travels and have noticed the discussion wrt DNA of Roulette. I have been familiar with this work for some time now and communication with the writer has always been excellent. He is a dedicated, well educated and genuine man who wishes also to help his community in Sri Lanka.

His ideas overlap with regard to the 'matrix' theory work on the CommonSense1968 thread.

One of the problems that the DNA theory encountered was that it was engineered to a very limited sample of numbers. It worked well with those of course but not to a greater random distribution.

This is always the problem with limited data and why the use of 30 samples of 100 spins from a random selection of dates and genuine sources is essential.

There is also an over complication of rules with the DNA work which given a better method would not be necessary. The player may be put under great stress to play this method live. Errors can creep in.

Nevertheless the writer is on to something and I would encourage all readers to overview this method with the matrix thread and use the same terminolgy - keep it simple!!!

There was also a discussion with regard to machine airball results.

It has been my experience that live dealers produce a 'rougher' and 'less pure' random generation of numbers than computer random generation which becomes very pure and as is also the case with any generation where a live dealer is not involved.

Thus the clustering of results live is very different from computer generated play. This is based on many years of live play from professional players versus data generated from super computers to which I have had access.

Of course you never have enough spins and theer are cycles within cycles but I have three times live seen a number repeated 6 times - and I know which I would rather play to my advantage.

Hope this may help.

XXVV

[esoito]

@XXW
You wrote: "Hope this may help."

Thank you very much for your interesting and helpful post. All insights gratefully received.

Yes, the more interaction I have with Don the more I realise what a genuine chap he is.

His pending software will, of course, be a great help to those of us who would like to follow up on his interesting method.

[esoito]

I've just had this informative update from Don:

Dear Max,

I see a very interesting posting onto our discussion forum and I wish to clarify two points.

In order to validate something statistically, the minimum required is 30 samples. This is the rationale of testing the system with 30 samples.

If you examine the data tables, you see a very fair distribution of all categories, both inside and outside.

In regard to the user friendliness, I would put this as one of the easiest to play in the real environment, as the table is right in front of you (nevertheless, I have the table layout in my mind so I do not look at the physical table).

Coding the +/- can be done under 5 seconds, net spin outcome can be calculated within another 5 seconds as it is just one of the five values (+8, +5, +2, -1, -4) by wagering chips imaginarily on the table and comparing with the actual outcome on the same.

Then calculating the EV is another simple effort which takes another 5 seconds and if you make a mistake you will always realize it.

The range of EV is between +40 and -20 and 99% of the readings come within the range +13 and -14.

The only possible EVs within that range are +13, +10, +7, +4, +1, -2, -5, -8, -11 and -14. If you get any other value as EV, there is a calculation mistake associated with the last five spins somewhere.

It is a fine control to ensure the accuracy of your EV calculations. When you keep doing this, you automatically get familiar with it and you can work like a computer. 

When I go to the real environment, the average time it takes between two spins is about 3 minutes and I take my next wagering decision within 20 seconds.

No sooner the dozens are paid off and cleared by the dealers, I keep my four chips in the correct places for the next spin and enjoy the courtesies of the casino such as food and snaks.

However, my advise is to refrain from consuming liquor while you play, which makes a person highly vulnerable to make a technical error.

Our casinos are extremely generous as they serve liquor, snaks (sic), bites as well as the meals absolutely free of charge.
 
So, when you master this, there is absolutely no effort involved and the stress level is zero. I do not think that any system would make you feel more comfortable than that.

The biggest problem with very busy tables is that it takes around 3-4 minutes for the dealers to clear the table and it is quite boring to wait.

However, my experience is that longer the time it takes between spins, higer the predictablility is. I wish that I could demonstrate how to do it to all of you.

Even after I upload my software product, you all can test but the casino would not allow you to take a laptop there! So, upon testing and if convinced, still you got to practice the manual process in the real environment.

Please upload the contents of this e-mail. 

Best Regards

Don


NB:  Regarding his penultimate paragraph: 

I pointed out that as there are online, live casinos (he seems unaware of that) then that is where the testing, focus and application of his software will firmly lie.

We don't want him to think he's wasting his time on producing the software, do we?!

[malcop]

Thanks for the update.

I have been busy this week but as soon as I have some free time I will be trying to figure this system out.

[Blood Angel]

Would someone be able to get a copy of the pdf to me please?
To my email address  gun51inger008@yahoo.co.uk
Id like to take a look
Thank you.

[malcop]

You can get it and the data files from here: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html