DNA OF ROULETTE SYSTEM: Your opinions, please

[A3on]

Just tested 6 big session

   Spins   B   A   B+A
1   356   44   39   83
2   309   18   -10   8
3   402   20   14   34
4   327   -43   8   -35
5   380   10   -3   7
6   352   -29   -4   -33

Total Spins: 2126
Total Gain B: +20
Total Gain A: +44
Total Gain A+B: +64

It's amazing to see this was survived after more than 2.000 spins !
Still the profit is too low, but it would be amazing to have a bot playing this

Good work Don !!

Cheers,
Afonso

[MyTHOS_R]

OK.

I gladly see we're altogether a big united feast now. 

Once again, let's express our gratitude to Don and his nephew for the hard work and consecutive updates (despite all the odds health problems they faced!) and ofcourse for a GREAT product which now permits us to test spins in zero time.

Furthermore, we also have to thank Trylobit who was the FIRST one to come up with a kind of "software" (well, actually just a simple excel spreadsheet) which however incorporated HALF of Don's great system: DNA OF ROULETTE, including ONLY MEC1 AND WITHOUT MSSC 2.

These were the good news.

Now..let's move to the bad ones...

Please do not take me as a voice of negativity once again, because herewith
I come up one more time with FACTS and only FACTS. Results and nothing more or less. THE TRUTH AND NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH!..

I have to present you something which is of great importance BUT MAINLY OF EXTRAORDINARY INTEREST!...

I have tested 3520 CONSECUTIVE spins of a great live 700.000 spins file, USING TWO DIFFERENT METHODS: I tested the sample BOTH with 1) Trylobit's spreadshet AND 2) with the updated version of Don's software. I STRECH AGAIN: I TESTED THE EXACTLY SAME SPIN SAMPLE with BOTH of the 2 availbale WAYS OF USING DON'S DNA OF ROULETTE: 1) using a simple spreadsheet made by a member of the forum who makes everything possible with excel sheets (!) and 2) using the latest sophistcated version of the html software that Don has uploaded on his Homepage.

Here are the interesting results:

1)Trylobit's Excel spreadsheet:   +86 units

2)Uploaded software:                 G/B: -99      G/A: +20    TOTAL (A+B) -79

It is also BASIC to clarify that using method 1) I exited whenever a Zero appeared and EVERY TIME that a CS was taking place.

Furthermore, it is interesting to mention that method 1) was losing an average of only 2 out of every 10 sessions with highest appearing drop a -35 drawdown (three lost sessions in a row), which were however followed by almost 10 winnning sessions (out of which, I remember at least two of them gaining the highest possible profit - that is 12 units after a winning CS!)

The conclusions are up to you...

Nobody can SO FAR say that Don's updated software is a long-term winner or loser. At least UNTIL NOW... TEST-TEST-TEST... That is my advice.

What I can say with certainty is that the spreadsheet has proved to be a long-term winner and compared to the latest uploaded software version it presents a remarkably better performance, meaning a quite more positive and productive win ratio.

I will also state once again my STRONG BELIEF that if DNA OF ROULETTE does not finally prove to be a long-term winner (in any form), then, sorry guys, but Roulette is unbeatable.

I'll close with a big and humble request to Trylobit: please Trylobit, if you still follow this thread, would you be kind enough-whenever you find time- try to incorporate into your spreadsheet the MEC2, so that it will fully apply Don's system. Because I still have a slight suspicion that the uploaded software has a failure flow point (an program error whch makes avoids it to apply CORRECTLY the whole system, thus giving wrong directions on wagering and entry & exit ponts-excuse me for streching that, Dulan!)

I still really cannot understand why on earth, the spreadsheet performs better than the uploaded software! Only Don and Dulan can come with a good answer and an EVEN BETTER VERSION!

Thanks in advance to all of you guys.


Anyway, I shall continue testing until I come up with an at least 10.000 consecutive spins sample to TEST once again BOTH of the methods...

Until then, good luck to all of the testers!

Cheers.

[MyTHOS_R]

...Here are some more mid-way results:


4000 spins:

1) (spreadsheet):  +50 units

2) software : G/A=   +36            G/B=   -100       A+B=-64



10.000 spins

ONLY software results available so far (method 2). Method one takes time:

G/A= -149        G/B= -258(!)         A+B=-407


As u see until now, the software seems to be a long-term loser once again (whichever of the two wagering directions you choose)...

However, we still have a long way to go with the spreadsheet and it is promising so far.   

[MyTHOS_R]

I am now exactly at the middle of my testing goal of 10.000 spins on the spreadsheet.

At 5011 spins (after the completion of the latest session), the spreadshee produced +40 units. The extreme grade of spreadsheet's percistency to hold the initial bankroll is indeed remarkable!

It will be really interesting if it will still keep a positive ratio until the target of 10.000 spins.

However, I'd say that the 5.000 spins is already a representative sample for us to characterize the spreadsheet a "long-term winner".. I may sound too optimistic, but the signs are really good and the general behavior is amazing (there has been a large number of cases, where the spreadsheet predicted correctly the appearence of zero and exited just a few spins before that!) Nevertheless, let me not be too hurried to come to final coclusions. Time will tell.

Exactly the same 5011 spins imported in the uploaded software give the following results:


G/B= -128                 G/A= +49                        TOTAL (A+B)= -79.

It seems that playing with the "A wagering direction", the software approaches the spreadsheet performance but not exactly. We'll compare them better at the end of the 10.000 spins test. Let's hope that the spreadsheet will hold until then and will not lose like the software... which presented a final -149 (see my previous post).

[malcop]

Hi All,

Here is my latest update emails from Don

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Dear Philip,

I see immediate user feedbacks, which are encouraging. Now, we know that there is something magical about Strategy P1AM2A and its inverse. Now it is a matter of putting our heads together in an objective manner to optimize the strategies.

After having read Mythos' comments, we can facilitate his exact requirement by way of another link, if informed. It is a matter of activating the conditions required. For example, if Mythos wants to test only with MEC1 and MEC2 with 15 CIH, we can facilitate it. Or else, if he needs the same with AC1 and AC2 also, we can do that as well. However, I need a clarification on the 10,000 records. Are they consecutive spins in quick succession or whether it is a consolidation of several sessions with interim intervals. For example, the London Smart Live Casino operates only 18 hours a day but maintain the continuity of the record numbers of the spin. The system shall be tested for the spins occuring during 18 hours of continuous play only and not as a whole, because the overall pattern for the day changes with every interim break. Therefore, it will be greatly appreciated if Mythos could elaborate on the composition of the 10,000 sample.

The best thing for us to do at this moment is to test it on free play mode on live casinos about 100 sessions and then evaluate the system. I humbly request everybody to oblige me with this data testing and post the results and observations to the forum. Also, based on such observations, we can adjust the session exit level, which is set at -6 at present, which appears to be the best level as per my current observations. However, if necessary I can always lower this limit further and allow more deeper playing and enhance the CIH to be consistent with that, in order to optimize the system. Also, if necessary, I can create two different session exit rules, one for the floor level and another for the ceiling level.

I wish to make one comment about the new system with four advance wagering conditions, with Mythos' idea of reseting the system after a session exit being incorporated into the system, the total system yields positive results on shorter sessions with around 40-50 spins in which the Strategy P1AM2A is either very strong (high and positive EV values > +4) or extremely weak (double digit and negative EV values < -5). Only the flat games (usually single digit EVS betweem +4 and -5) produce mixed incremental results, both positive and negative.   

Please post this comment to the fourm on behalf of me. Let us have a fresh start collectively to turn the tables of this evil industry in favour of the players. Once again I strongly advise the players to invest time on testing the system with new data rather than relying on large samples of old data of which the methodology of collation is not known.

Best Regards

Don

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Dear Philip,

I started testing the system with new data on the basis of two sessions in the morning and two sessions in the afternoon today. The total number of spins involved is around 50-60. I am going to test this on the basis of two sessions in the morning and two sessions in the evening. I made a remarkable observations with the first two sessions I played in the morning that AC5 (inside wagering whenever a + -, - + or + + is directed yielded a net gain of 80 chips (of whatever the value). I think this is something that the other players also shall monitor.

Dulan is in the process of incoroprating AC5 in the system to make a visual projection on the template, whenever such conditions are directed. I am maintaining all statistics of my new data testing with two live casinos and upon completion of 30 sets, I will inform the progress.

Please post this to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[MyTHOS_R]

To reply to Don, the 10.000 spins are taken from a smaple of 700.000 CONSECUTIVE SPINS from WIESBADEN CASINO and they are a little bit old. I believe they are without intervals, (at least this picture has the file that I downloaded).

I made a quick test at 250 resent spins from Dublin bet casino, again both with the spreadsheet and with the software. The results shape quite the same picture as my previous results:

1) Spreadsheet final result: 0 (it was holding a positive ratio during the 80% of the spins, and it lost the bankroll in the last few sessions but still it did not go under zero!

2) Uploaded Software: G/B= -42         G/A= -24       A+B=-66

Kindest require to Don (since Trylobit seems not to be with us anymore):

Please Don, if possible, upload a version of the software that
1) uses only MEC1,
2) going through all of 15 units bankroll,
3) applying MSSCs, and
4) exiting whenever a zero or a CS takes place (whatever the result of the CS is-winning or losing!). It finally should also exit whenever a total loss of 4 units takes place just after an MSSC and inverse wagering.

This way we'll be able to test the spreadsheet of Trylobit really-really quickly (just by loading the sample numbers on the html page!)

Thanks in advance.

[malcop]

Hi All,

Latest email update

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Dear Philip,

First and foremost, I wish to inform Mythos that we will tailor make a program with the exact requirement specified by him, within the next few days.

Also, I satarted testing with fresh data from two casinos and for some strange reason, the London based Smart Live Casino (Live Spin mode) gives me exponential results. One unique feature of that casino is that it is spun in very quick succession, virtually like RNG and it has no real players.

Further I started testing with Colombo based BBM casino which has a reasonably long interval between the spins as there are live players on site. I was not able to outperform that for a few weeks with the old methodology, but with the new system facilitates such if only two consecutive sessions are played and the second is played with fresh 11 lead spins following the exit point. The most significant observation is that if it is played continuously as one session as directed by the system, it ends up with huge losses.
Also, the net gain went above 10 (upto 11 and 10) and then lost 6 chips in both sessions. Because of that, the net gain left from both sessions was 7.

This gives another implication. If a manual exit is made after going beyond 10 and turning back, the gains become quite significant.

Once I test the data for some time, we may be able to change the exit rule for the ceiling level, after reaching 10, in order to yield a higher return. However, it is too premature to make that change, at present.

Once again, I wan to reiterate that not to play more than two sessions at a time (at least for a half a day).

My advise to the players is not to go beyond two sessions at a time.

Please upload this on behalf of me.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[MyTHOS_R]

Don, thank you for your quick reply and willingness to create this version of...half-software, as it gives signs of good performance.

It would be alsoa great idea if you could upload two options available:

1) a sub-version resetting after every won/lost session

and

2) a sub-version monitoring continuously the EVs and giving all the time entering and exiting signs.

I have a feeling that the second one might work even better than the spreadsheet, as through my recent tests I noticed a great amount of subsequent CSs during each session. To be more specific, in a lot of cases if wagering would continue after the first CS (on which like I already told, I quit and reset until now, in my tests), the session would last more than the gain-target of 9 units and come up to 20-25 or even higher gains.) I had a great deal of observations like this.

Therefore, if the software is monitoring the EVs the whole time, after each winning session exits (as soon as the first 9 won units are reached), whenever consecutive CSs continue to take place, this version will immediately give a subsequent entering sign (always ONLY by MEC1) and wagering will go on to reach higher gains.

I have a really good feeling that this might work.

Let us see.

Thanks again for the follow-up.

[malcop]

Hi All,

Update email
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Dear Philip

In view of the comments made by MyThos we realized that CIH 15 was the empirically observed optimal level. In software we uploaded on the 6th February we reduced it to 9 and removed EXR4 to be inline with that. Then we realized that session exits can take place even before a  MEC can occur. So we reverted the process and introduced 3 session exit conditions instead of 1 generic session exit condition in previous upload. This is clearly elaborated in the book. Now the maximum lost that could be incurred is confined to 15 chips and the gains are regulated by a drop of 5 from a peak value. We strongly advise all the users to read the book as this appears to be the optimal enhancement that could be achieved.

The current version facilitates MyThos' requirement of making the CIH 15, allowing conditional continuous wagering using AC1/AC2 after an exit from a critical spin. Further, the real wagering mode will lockout the system if a session exit is reached.

Future version of the software will consolidate all three versions of the software in to one software. Further it will allow the players to select a combination of strategies among MEC1/MEC2/AC1-AC4 and also will be parameter driven in regard to CIHs, SV, Session exit limits etc. Also it will provide a visual guide for inside wagering at appropriate spins with high probability of occurrence. In addition, we will fix the issue of not being able to edit typographical errors. However, all these improvements will take some time. We will upload updated software as and when we accomplish each task.

Please post this comment to the forum.

Best of Luck to Everybody

Don & Dulan

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Thanks

malcop

[malcop]

Hi All,

Latest update email
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Dear Philip,

After having facilitated large scale data observations, we examined data and made the following observations.

The methodology suggested by MyThos is more effective without AC3 and AC4 for Live-spin mode. Therefore, we facilitated a seperate link with MEC1, MEC2, AC1 & AC2 with RESTART.

On the contrary, accidentally we discovered that the fully fledged system with AC1 - AC4 is remarkably better with Auto-spin and even on RNG. So, we facilitated a link for Auto-spin mode as well.

In addition, we allowed data files tobe uploaded for analysis, for both Live-spin and Auto-spin, with respective logic.

Also, we introduced a Game Direction Indicator, to suppliment discretionary exits. However, Dulan has misconcptualized it and what I expected is not reflected in the new column. I will get that corrected tomorrow.

Please provide us with feedbacks through the forum, for us to improve the system. Please upload this to the fourm on my behalf

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

Philip

[malcop]

Hi All,

Latest update

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Dear Philip,

I forgot to provide the new link to access the system and it could be the reason as to why the number of visitors was marginally less yesterday. Given below is the new link to access the system and use any of the four options.

link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/dna-of-roulette.html

IMPORTANT:

If a player does not want to be locked out after ending a session and continue without restarting , the respective analyticl mode must be used, instead of the real wagering.

In other words, we have facilitated four options of wagering to the players. All what we now expect from the fellow members of the forum is to test the strategies with discrete samples of around 75 - 100 continuous spins (without time breaks in bewteen) and post comments to the observation forum, like MyThos did, which tremendously helped us to evaluate the effectiveness of strategies and the system and make adjustments.

My next emphasis would be to use the Game Direction (GD) Indicator and do inside wagering on selective spins. Dulan is hard at decorating the system. I noticed two negligible shortcomings in regard to calculating the GD (we do not use this at present) and restarting (which are not bugs) and informed Dulan. Most likely he will correct it during the course of the day.

Let us keep the discussion forward until everybody benefits out of the system at the end. Please post this comment to the forum.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

Philip

[marivo]

All what we now expect from the fellow members of the forum is to test the strategies with discrete samples of around 75 - 100 continuous spins (without time breaks in between) and post comments to the observation forum, like MyThos did, which tremendously helped us to evaluate the effectiveness of strategies and the system and make adjustments.

It would be helpful if the reports were made in a uniform format!

[malcop]

Hi All,

Email Update

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Dear Philip,

Dulan and I are now reasonably confident that the software is free of bugs. Dulan is continuing to decorate the system with record correction facility, session direction grapichs etc.

The members appear to have gone completely silent now and we cannot figure out the reason. Any comments from the users will be greatly appreciated.

Also, we wish to change the links as follows, in a more meaningful manner. By copy to Dulan, I request to make these changes tonight.

Software for Wagering: Basic Strategy with Table Exit Rules (Most suitable for Live-spin)

Software for Wagering: Basic & Advance Strategies with Table Exit Rules (Most Suitable for Auto-spin)

Software for Wagering & Analysis: Basic Strategy for Continuous Wagering & Monitoring (Most Suitable for Live-spin)

Software for Wagering & Analysis: Basic & Advance Strategies for Continuous Wagering & Monitoring (Most suitable for Auto-spin)

Please upload this message to the discussion forum.

Best of Luck to all  Roulette Players.

Best Regards

Don

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Thanks

malcop

[foreverBOB]

Is someone testing this on Am Wheel as well?

Bob

[malcop]

Hi All,

I emailed Don to find out what is the state of play with the DNA software here is his response
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Dear Philip,

I have been testing the data, basically each individual strategy. We can now give the guarantee that the system is bug free. The total system with advanced strategies appear to giving very good results. The table exit rules are perfectly in order. I have been rigorously testing each individual strategy using a special template to find the most optimal strategy and remove all the others. I have removed one part of the Optional Advance Strategy 5 as it seems to be giving a negative yield in the long run. But the other part is really working. In addition, it appears that AC1 is ineffective and it is causing the low returns. I will test it further it and suppress it. In fact, in the absence of AC1, AC3 which appears to be effective will take charge of a rising trend. AC2 and AC4 are giving positive results and so as the MECs.

SLC, the Casino from which I take the test data has now started a deception that they hide some of the past numbers from the display. This is another clear indication that the system is working. Also, I saw several other websites directing people to use the System. One has 19000 on the counter. Further, people may be using it with a link to access it without going through the forum.

The results are good and positive. After the comprehensive test which I am currently performing, I will give the optimized strategey as the only methodology. I reiterate the fact that the Entry, Exit and Table Exit Rules are perfectly in order and there will not be any changes. The only change would be suppression of AC1, which I have not yet decided.

It is a matter of time.

Best Regards

Don

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Just as a quick test this morning I had a quick play with the system I played three back to back sessions I'm sorry I did not record each individual session outcomes I just have the total all three sessions ended positive and I made +34 units profit.

I did this on RNG for speed, and used the Software for Wagering: Basic & Advance Strategies with Table Exit Rules (Most Suitable for Auto-spin)
option Link: link:://:.neworiginalthinking.com/arc/ARC_NAAS.html

Please understand it was only a quick test of the software just to see how it performed, when I have some more time I will do some further testing.

Guys we need to get this thing nailed once and for all is DNA a long term winner or not?  Any suggestions on how we do this would be greatly appreciated.

My other concern is bandwidth if more and more people are using the link to the software how long before we find we can't get onto the site to use the software?  Don I would like your response to this question because I think it is very important, and I am sure that one of our members voiced the same concerns a while back.

Thanks

malcop