Can you see any difference or do you say it is the same thing ...

[ego]

Can you see any difference or do you say it is the same thing ...
Well for me that last option feels superior then the first option...

1) First option is that you see one dozen and you play 4 times against it.
2) The second option is that you bet against sleeping 12 numbers once for 4 times.

My point is that not all does sleeping 12 numbers will show.
When some of the sleeping 12 numbers show we would expect very few numbers.
So if i then bet against one sleeping 12 numbers and we know that not all of them will show.
Then how can i be betting against 12 sleeping numbers ?
They are less then 12 in reality that will show as some of the numbers sleep.

So it feels i have better odds ...

For example:

Take 12 sectors of the wheel layout, the correct order of the numbers.
Then each time one sector hit i mark it with a cross until there is four sectors left, that did not hit.

0 x
1 x
2 x
3 x
4
5 x
6
7 x
8
9 x
10 x
11

Here i have sectors 4 6 8 11 that did not hit.
Now i wait for one sleeping sector to hit and then i play 4 times against the sleeping sector to show four times in a row.
That would be a total of five in a row, where sleeping numbers among does 12 would show.

S=SLEEPER
X=ALREDY HIT

X
X
S
X WON
S
X
S
S
X
X
X
S

[soggett]

so you bet 11 sectors of three numbers for 4 times? (like betting 11 streets?)
or you bet 8 sectors? (without the 4 sleeping ones)

with what progression?

[Chris555p]

The 12 sectors of the wheel correspond to which numbers.....?

[soggett]

The 12 sectors of the wheel correspond to which numbers.....?

I assume sector 1 is 32,15,19 (european wheel)
sector 2 is 4,21,2 and so on

[Chrisbis]

Would it be easier, for reading, and notation purposes, for the sectors to be noted in Alphabetic terms?

Hence A.=32, 15, 19
          B.= 4, 21, 2
and so on.

Its just that if this was information U had to impart by voice only, (say over the phone) U would never give a numerical label to a set of other numerical numbers.

This all comes down the fact (yes I'm having a rant!), that as a group of interested followers of forums concerned with Roulette and Bet selection, we do not ALL stick to agreed patterns of post notation.
Maybe one day I will formulate a suggestion for such a standard.


Anyway, back to the subject in hand, I too was confused as to WHAT your betting here.
Are u betting AGAINST the showing of the sleeping sector, as  mention, cause at that Betting Point, you have only uncovered One sleeping sector, and therefore have 3 remaining sleeping sectors?

3 sectors x 3 #numbers in each = 9 numbers Unhit, subtracted from the 37 track numbers = 26 numbers to bet on?!?

Perhaps a simple, made-up (or Actual) spins example, may help all the interested fellows...of which I include myself. 

[ego]

Zero comes with first sector and this is wheel based sectors, the correct number order on the wheel ...
12 sectors.

0. 26 0 32 15
1. 19 4 21
2. 2 25 17
3. 34 6 27
4. 13 36 11
5. 30 8 23
6. 10 5 24
7. 16 33 1
8. 20 14 31
9. 9 22 18
10. 29 7 28
11. 12 35 3

[buffalowizard]

I'll repeat what soggett asked - what progression do you use - 1,3,9,27?
Cheers