Final conclusions?

[jarabo002]

Few years I've been playing roulette, I have to say that I start to get tired of not succeeding and I'm considering abandoning this.

However, there are some conclusions I have drawn from it. Each person has a preferred way of playing. One of these conclusions is that what has given me the best result in the end unsuccessfully, I repeat, has been playing with bets covering more than half of the table, never the less, that is, to me what I do not like is play numbers less than 19, ie methods in the case of playing numbers 1, 2, 3, 4 ..... 18. Why? Since it is undeniable that few insurance numbers can sleep for a long time, and that can be disastrous. As it is something given to me very afraid that few numbers that sleep forever, I preferred playing two dozen based systems or five lines and apply a certain progression. They are betting that in my judgment win more often .In this is undeniably the help of Mr. GLC, which I set very close to it. Another conclusion I have drawn is that they are very useful certain betting selections, the only thing they get is slow down the game and in the best case, when the game slower, delaying the disaster, but never prevent it, and thus give the false impression that one can win long term, which is nothing more than a delusion.
For this last game so if two dozen or five lines, always be the same, unchanged.

So far I have come but still not all I can say. Thank you all. All of you are good people.

A greeting.


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Llevo unos años jugando a la ruleta, tengo que decir que empiezo a cansarme de no tener éxito y me estoy planteando abandonar todo esto.

Sin embargo, hay una serie de conclusiones que he sacado de aquí. Cada persona tiene una forma de jugar preferida. Una de esas conclusiones es que lo que mejor resultado me ha dado -sin éxito al final, repito- ha sido jugar con apuestas que cubrían más de la mitad de la tabla, nunca menos, es decir, a mí lo que no me gusta es jugar menos de 19 números, es decir, métodos que en el caso de números jueguen 1, 2, 3, 4.....18. ¿Por qué? Puesto que es innegable, que pocos números seguro que pueden dormir por un largo tiempo, y eso puede ser desastroso. Como es algo que me ha dado mucho miedo eso de que pocos números duerman una eternidad, he preferido jugar sistemas basados en dos docenas o cinco líneas y aplicar una determinada progresión. Son apuestas que a mi juicio ganan con más frecuencia. En esto es innegable la ayuda de Mr. GLC, lo que me ha situado muy cerca de conseguirlo. Otra conclusión que he sacado es que no son muy útiles ciertas selecciones de apuestas, que lo único que consiguen es ralentizar el juego y en el mejor de los casos, al ser el juego más lento, retrasar el desastre, pero en ningún caso evitarlo, y así dar la falsa sensación de que uno puede ganar a largo plazo, lo cual no es más que una falsa ilusión. Es por esto último por lo que si juego dos docenas o cinco líneas, siempre serán las mismas, sin variación.

Hasta aquí he podido llegar, pero aún no es todo lo que puedo decir. Gracias a todos vosotros. Sois buena gente.

Un saludo.

[Turner]

This is just my view...50% will agree and 50% won't.
This is my list of worse bets to best. Worse 7).....best 1)

7) 1:2 odds double dozen and any other similar bet i.e 4 lines, 8 streets
Small wins big losses and insane progression.

6) E/c.

5) Dozens. Where are all the dozen systems?

4) Lines and streets. Eveyone tries street systems for a few weeks in their life. Varience ends quick and soon un bet streets appear like a long lost relative at a Will reading

3) Never seen a corner system in my life

2) Splits are cool but don't pay enough to flat bet

1) Straight up inside.


They are all relative regarding sleep /hit and progression needed.

I think luck rewards more the further you go down the list

That last sentence is my reason to bet inside singles

And the more single numbers you bet....the more it becomes one of the higher choices and the worse it gets

Amen

[jarabo002]

7) 1:2 odds double dozen and any other similar bet i.e 4 lines, 8 streets
Small wins big losses and insane progression.

True, but you will agree with me that these odds (cover most of the table) win more often.

There are some sweets progressions that can hold enough. I believe that GLC has been close to it.

[Ralph]

Highest possible odds, small bets which pays off if you hit, and lose very small and not force to higher negative progressions..  On NOZ we can bet EC, but I avoid it on Zero wheels.
Progressions best positive.


I think 2/3 bet suffer from that, even if we win most of the bets, it is small winnings, and just one losing streak (which must come) can easy blow many winning spins. At the end of the day the amount won or lose is to count, not how many spins we win or lose.


The difference between betting one dozen in two spins or two dozens in one spin, is you can win both betting one at the time. Lose both we can do doing any bet. 2/3 one bet must lose.  We can bet red/even if we want to cover much, at least it is possible to win both bets.


Sometines I have been waiting hundreds of spins until a hit making new high.

[Turner]

True, but you will agree with me that these odds (cover most of the table) win more often.

There are some sweets progressions that can hold enough. I believe that GLC has been close to it.

I agree, Jarabo, it covers a lot of the table and the odds reflect that .


You, in your short stay at the table wont see it hit more often any more than you wont


For you to see it win more often the dozens would have to hit 1,2,3,1,2,3,1,2,3 or 2,1,3,2,1,3,2,1,3 but they dont.


They go 1,1,1,2,1,2,1,3,3,1,3,1,1,2,2,3,2,3,2,3,3,3,2,3,3,3,3. what use was knowing the odds of 1:2 in that sequence?


They do eventually, over 1,000,000 spins, close on 66% barring zero hits.


maths is useless over small spins..... and by small i mean 60 or 100 spins. 2 hours at the table. The odds arnt any help.


Variance is king


This is where Pattern battles come from, "bet against this pattern happening"...Code 4, ***FIVE***, Pattern breaker etc.


Its a more "clever" way to approach it than looking at odds because it recognises variance.


This doesnt work either because phrases like "randoms limits" and "random will find hard to repeat" are bul*shit.


Think about it this way. Its fine saying "I bet Doz 1 and 2 so I have a 1:2 chance of winning. What are the odds of 2, 22, or 32 to hit?


All 36:1.

[GLC]

002,  It's hard to turn off the forum completely.  We're such a great bunch of guys that it's kind of fun to hang out together even if it takes a month to get in a 15 minute discussion.


I've quit 3 times.  Once because I had a burr under my saddle and twice because I came to the same conclusions you have. 

But I keep checking the forum most every day


I miss the back and forth with you guys, so I've tried to cut my participation in half at least.


Someone always comes up with a new twist on something and I'm drawn back in for another walk around the block.


Without a little luck or precognition we're doomed in the long run.  Just think of it.  If you could just predict 2 spins per hour more than random, you could win.  Oh cr^p!  I forgot about variance.  Rats!  There's always something.


Anyway, stop by every now and then to see how things are going.


GLC

[Proofreaders2000]

...Thank you all. All of you are good people.-Jarabo002

Sad to see you go.  You are a good guy yourself.  Remember us.

[Steve]

jarabo002, if something doesnt work for you, try new things. With roulegtte you didnt appear to mention what is well known to work, and its the only methods that force casinos to change the game. Or maybe you do know about them and decided they are not for you. They are a relatively boring way to play but work.

[Turner]

GLC.....I have noticed the change since your freckle faced kid looking through a ripped page avatar...2 years ago. You were on fire then.
Reminded me of Turbogenius.
I thrive on being beat. I like nothing more than getting a good spanking. All metaphorical i might add.
I like the taste of my wounds when i go off to lick them.
I dig in deep...read something new...study and re group.
I love the process of starting over with new vigor.
Failiure is where inspiration comes from.
Sound wierd  dont I.

[Chrisbis]

For my two pennith.......


If U want to stick to a purely mechanical means of play Jarabo002, then I would ardently suggest U take just one method, and play with it, (small stakes) at your fav, most trusted casino, for a whole month.

This dedicated play will allow U to hone your craft, and really get to know an idea like the back of your hand so to speak.

And right now, my best suggestion for a system/method, is the Triple Shooter presented at BetSelection.cc
by the most excellent member GreatGrampa
Here's the Link

Read it thoroughly first.
Understand it.
Download the excel sheet
Practice
See how U go, and report back in one month from now.

I have long been a fan of the 3 x ECs bet, and I think medium and long term, it could be a winner.
What GGpaps has done, has put some very sound sensible Loss/Win register positioning against each end every play.
It not how U would usually think of the Win/Loss on every play, he has turned it somewhat.

It make a lot of sense, and that coupled with his 5 step staking progression is showing us ALL what we should be doing  at the table.

Watch his video....excellent viewing.
Hope U try it........I certainly am!

[jarabo002]

Ralph and Turner, both of you are right. What I have said is that my preference for this kind of methods is also about psychological issues. The fact that a small group of numbers can sleep for eternity is something that causes me some concern, since it can always mean bankroll progressive wear and because I prefer to hit hard and fast, almost immediate profits, and therefore, is possible that patience is not one of my virtues.

Anyway, in the end, all methods are equally losers are covering a number or thirty-five.

GLC, master, I have learned with you  a lot, with all members in general.

Proofreaders2000. You have dedicated and devoted many hours working on your input, all for letting others know. Thank you very much.

Iggiv, I have learnt from all of you, I had so much fun playing roulette, it's true. Although I also recognize that we must be careful when we think we have a winning method.

Chrisbis, you always bring enough interesting things that could make a good way. I like following methods which are studied basics. I'll try. Thank you.

I'll follow all of you, though with less intensity, not as before, where for years I spend several hours a day to study at this forum on a game as fun and exciting as roulette.

[Chris555p]

Chrisbis

Thanks for posting the link regarding Triple Shoot for Even chance by Greatgrampa. Lokks like a very interesting method, I will study it closely.
Jaraboo002 - Very sad to see u go.

[Steve]

For the record, winning at roulette is  certainly not the easiest way to make money no matter what technology or system you have. Well it can be if you live near ideal conditions of course, but for the average person you need to research and scout. Most of the people I deal with know roulette may not be the easiest way to make money, but it is a challenge and they love the game.

But generally if you are looking to make money and don't really want the challenge, there are betters ways. Anyway my point is dont look at roulette as your sole source of income. Look at it more as a novel way to make money. If you are serious about making big money with it, then you need commitment that the average person cant give because they have a family to support while they are still learning the ropes.

[jarabo002]

For the record, winning at roulette is  certainly not the easiest way to make money no matter what technology or system you have. Well it can be if you live near ideal conditions of course, but for the average person you need to research and scout. Most of the people I deal with know roulette may not be the easiest way to make money, but it is a challenge and they love the game.

But generally if you are looking to make money and don't really want the challenge, there are betters ways. Anyway my point is don't look at roulette as your sole source of income. Look at it more as a novel way to make money. If you are serious about making big money with it, then you need commitment that the average person can't give because they have a family to support while they are still learning the ropes.

Indeed, Steve, I have many years trying to make some money on the net and I ran into the roulette. I have to confess that I've really enjoyed it, but I've also spent a little too long. All this because I am a single student and can do it.

If you know better ways to make money, Ill send you a pm.

All those things like PTCs, downloads, visits, forex, etc ... are just garbage, involving an enormous expenditure of time and effort in exchange for real misery.

[soggett]

I have many years trying to make some money on the net and I ran into the roulette. I have to confess that I've really enjoyed it


All those things like PTCs, downloads, visits, forex, etc ... are just garbage, involving an enormous expenditure of time and effort in exchange for real misery.

wow, sounds awfully familiar