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warrior · May 31, 10:42 AM 2013

61 games one loss of 5 losses of 8.

ulsteroptom · May 31, 10:46 AM 2013

WOULD A PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION WORK SOMEHOW

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,

1dS ONE STEP UP ON PROGRESSION, 2 dS WOULD COUNT AS TWO STEPS UP ON THE PROGRESSION, WIN ON 1 ds MOVE BACK 4 STEPS ON PROGRESSION, WIN ON 2 dS MOVE BACK 2 STEPS ON PROGRESSION?

buffalowizard · May 31, 11:03 AM 2013

Quote from: warrior on May 31, 10:42 AM 2013
61 games one loss of 5 losses of 8.

So five losses in the 61 games?
If so that's slightly above expectancy

buffalowizard · May 31, 11:07 AM 2013

Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 10:46 AM 2013
WOULD A PENTHOUSE PROGRESSION WORK SOMEHOW

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,

1dS ONE STEP UP ON PROGRESSION, 2 dS WOULD COUNT AS TWO STEPS UP ON THE PROGRESSION, WIN ON 1 ds MOVE BACK 4 STEPS ON PROGRESSION, WIN ON 2 dS MOVE BACK 2 STEPS ON PROGRESSION?

I like the look of that ulster, simple enough to implement

Hopefully it can handle 2 grids lost in a row

ulsteroptom · May 31, 11:46 AM 2013

how about using a penthouse progression

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,

Loss on 1DS, move up 1, loss on 2DS bet move up two spaces on progression (as basically two bets)
win on 1 DS move back 4 on progression, win on 2 DS move back 2 spaces on progression

Start new grid at 1 if in new profit, otherwise continue on progression line

would something like this work

worst i had seen was with my above results - 300 spins - 60 games - 3 losses
2 of those losses were back to back (rare occurrence) but then the wins came quick, within first or second row

but two losses in a row, would have meant 16 bets

1,1,
1,2(1 on each DS), 4(2 on each DS)
2 (1ds), 4(2 on each DS), 6(3 on each DS)

21 units loss on above grid - progression so far - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3

3,3,
3,8,8,
4,10,10

49 units loss on second grid - total 70 units so far - progression so far - 3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5

next grid was
2,5,3
2 win

bets
5,6
6 (win 36 units) - won 19 units on this game - back 4 on progression line as win on 1 DS

still down 51 units

next grid
2,2 (win)

5(win 30 units) - won 25 for this game

still down 27 units - back 4 on progression

next grid

425
11 win

bets
4,4
5,10 win(30 units) - win 7 units this game - back two spaces on progression

still down 20 units

next grid
134
63 win

bets
5,5
5,10 win (30 units)- win 5 total for this game

still down 15 - back two steps on profession

next grid
356
264
2 win

bets
5,5
5,12,12
6 (36 units win) - 45 units bets - down 9 units for this game

total -24 - back 4 steps on progression

next grid

3,3 win (36 units ) total 30 for this game

total up 6 units - begin progression from beginning

hmm, took 6 games after two losses in a row to recover - potential?

soggett · May 31, 11:58 AM 2013

Quote from: buffalowizard on May 31, 09:55 AM 2013
Good news indeed soggett,

Could you tell me how much is the winnings
per step in that progression please mate?

Much appreciated, then I can work out exactly
how much won each session

no problem
5,4,3,1,3,1,1,3 units

buffalowizard · May 31, 12:35 PM 2013

Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 11:46 AM 2013
how about using a penthouse progression

1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3,3,3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,

Loss on 1DS, move up 1, loss on 2DS bet move up two spaces on progression (as basically two bets)
win on 1 DS move back 4 on progression, win on 2 DS move back 2 spaces on progression

Start new grid at 1 if in new profit, otherwise continue on progression line

would something like this work

worst i had seen was with my above results - 300 spins - 60 games - 3 losses
2 of those losses were back to back (rare occurrence) but then the wins came quick, within first or second row

but two losses in a row, would have meant 16 bets

1,1,
1,2(1 on each DS), 4(2 on each DS)
2 (1ds), 4(2 on each DS), 6(3 on each DS)

21 units loss on above grid - progression so far - 1,1,1,1,1,2,2,2,2,2,3,3

3,3,
3,8,8,
4,10,10

49 units loss on second grid - total 70 units so far - progression so far - 3,3,3,4,4,4,4,4,5,5,5,5

next grid was
2,5,3
2 win

bets
5,6
6 (win 36 units) - won 19 units on this game - back 4 on progression line as win on 1 DS

still down 51 units

next grid
2,2 (win)

5(win 30 units) - won 25 for this game

still down 27 units - back 4 on progression

next grid

425
11 win

bets
4,4
5,10 win(30 units) - win 7 units this game - back two spaces on progression

still down 20 units

next grid
134
63 win

bets
5,5
5,10 win (30 units)- win 5 total for this game

still down 15 - back two steps on profession

next grid
356
264
2 win

bets
5,5
5,12,12
6 (36 units win) - 45 units bets - down 9 units for this game

total -24 - back 4 steps on progression

next grid

3,3 win (36 units ) total 30 for this game

total up 6 units - begin progression from beginning

hmm, took 6 games after two losses in a row to recover - potential?

I'd say a definite yes to that one!
Considering that back to back losses are indeed a rare event, the penthouse could be the best MM to complement this method

buffalowizard · May 31, 12:37 PM 2013

Quote from: soggett on May 31, 11:58 AM 2013

no problem
5,4,3,1,3,1,1,3 units

Thanks a lot soggett,

I can start posting amounts won or lost now in my sessions

buffalowizard · May 31, 02:01 PM 2013

Out of interest I wonder how long it would hae taken ulster to get back into profit using soggetts progression if it was just taken back to the beginning again at the start of each new grid.

BW

soggett · May 31, 02:09 PM 2013

Quote from: buffalowizard on May 31, 02:01 PM 2013
Out of interest I wonder how long it would hae taken ulster to get back into profit using soggetts progression if it was just taken back to the beginning again at the start of each new grid.

BW

he would still be down
I gave you the classic marty so you know there are better ways

warrior · May 31, 02:13 PM 2013

Out of 61 games I had only one back to back.

TwoCatSam · May 31, 03:42 PM 2013

In keeping with my normal dense-ness.........

Here's your grid:

1 3 2
2 1 1
3 1 3

We see it completed. Let's look at it incomplete:

1.......now I bet for DS 1
1 3......now I bet for DS 3
1 3 2 .........now I bet for DS 2

Am I right on the first row?

Now to the second:

1 3 2
2................here we bet for a DS 2. Is that right?

1 3 2
2 1...........here we bet for a DS 1, but what other DS? The 3 above?

I am unclear on the vertical bets.

Sam

buffalowizard · May 31, 04:03 PM 2013

Quote from: TwoCatSam on May 31, 03:42 PM 2013
In keeping with my normal dense-ness.........

Here's your grid:

1 3 2
2 1 1
3 1 3

We see it completed. Let's look at it incomplete:

1.......now I bet for DS 1
1 3......now I bet for DS 3
1 3 2 .........now I bet for DS 2

Am I right on the first row?

Now to the second:

1 3 2
2................here we bet for a DS 2. Is that right?

1 3 2
2 1...........here we bet for a DS 1, but what other DS? The 3 above?

I am unclear on the vertical bets.

Sam

You are completely correct in your assumption Sam (apart from the DS 1 bit). You'd bet the the
DS 2 and the DS 3 for a vertical repeat. Then you'd bet a DS 1 and a
DS 2 after that.

Hope that helps. I think this could really stand up by using Ulster's
progression plan.

BW

ulsteroptom · May 31, 04:47 PM 2013

clarification needed

sam example

row 1
1,3,2 is the next bet not meant to be on row 2 for DS 1
1 (betting for DS 1 here)

buffalowizard · May 31, 04:57 PM 2013

Quote from: ulsteroptom on May 31, 04:47 PM 2013
clarification needed

sam example

row 1
1,3,2 is the next bet not meant to be on row 2 for DS 1
1 (betting for DS 1 here)

Yes you are right too ulster. Next after that you'd bet for DS 1 + 3
I think Sam made a slight typo that's all but I'm pretty sure we all
are singing from the same hymn sheet

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