1 Dozen + 1 Double street

Chrisbis · Jun 11, 05:11 PM 2013

Yes pls Sam................. (worksheet request)

TwoCatSam · Jun 11, 10:10 PM 2013

OK, on my next trot....

KoolKat · Jun 12, 02:08 AM 2013

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:54 PM 2013
Hi TwoCatSam, Chrisbis, eddy, RFMAXX, Chris and anyone else I forget who watches this thread,

Another similar but very interesting idea.... Play 1 EC(either H or L), 1 other DOZ not included in EC bet, and any 1 COL.

I prefer this bet: LOW + D3 + C3 combination. Same selections betted EVERY spin. It doesn't get much more easy-peasier!

+1 on loss
-1 on win

* = Reset all bets to 1u when level or ahead.

These are genuine live autowheel results:

#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +2 1-2-2
31 L1 w2 L2 +1 2-1-3
3 w2 L1 w4 +6* 1-1-1
17 w1 L1 L1 +5 1-2-2
35 L1 w4 L2 +6* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +8* 1-1-1
22 L1 L1 L1 +5 2-2-2
29 L2 w4 L2 +5 3-1-3
27 L3 w2 w6 +10* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +10* 1-1-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +11* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
9 w1 L1 w4 +14* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +13 1-2-2
24 L1 L2 w4 +16* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +19* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +18 1-2-2
36 L1 w4 w4 +25* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +24 1-2-2
1 w1 L2 L2 +27* 1-1-1
28 L1 w1 L1 +26 2-1-2
2 w2 L1 L2 +25 1-2-3
15 w1 L2 w6 +30* 1-1-1
35 L1 w2 L1 +30* 1-1-1
3 w1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
21 L1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
19 L1 L1 L1 +29* 2-2-2
12 w2 L2 w4 +33* 1-1-1

+33u profit in 35 spins.
Table Corrected! Apologies for error.

Recommend you give this a try.

Have fun with it - - I most certainly did!!

Regards, Atlantis.

Hi Atlantis I am liking the new system. I can't seem to get to grips with the progression though. If we are ahead reset. however you are ahead on number 17 but playing 1-2-2?
Many Thanks Koolkat

KoolKat · Jun 12, 02:10 AM 2013

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 11, 03:54 PM 2013
Hi TwoCatSam, Chrisbis, eddy, RFMAXX, Chris and anyone else I forget who watches this thread,

Another similar but very interesting idea.... Play 1 EC(either H or L), 1 other DOZ not included in EC bet, and any 1 COL.

I prefer this bet: LOW + D3 + C3 combination. Same selections betted EVERY spin. It doesn't get much more easy-peasier!

+1 on loss
-1 on win

* = Reset all bets to 1u when level or ahead.

These are genuine live autowheel results:

#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 +3* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +2 1-2-2
31 L1 w2 L2 +1 2-1-3
3 w2 L1 w4 +6* 1-1-1
17 w1 L1 L1 +5 1-2-2
35 L1 w4 L2 +6* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +8* 1-1-1
22 L1 L1 L1 +5 2-2-2
29 L2 w4 L2 +5 3-1-3
27 L3 w2 w6 +10* 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L1 +10* 1-1-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +11* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 1-2-2
9 w1 L1 w4 +14* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +13 1-2-2
24 L1 L2 w4 +16* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +19* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +18 1-2-2
36 L1 w4 w4 +25* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +24 1-2-2
1 w1 L2 L2 +27* 1-1-1
28 L1 w1 L1 +26 2-1-2
2 w2 L1 L2 +25 1-2-3
15 w1 L2 w6 +30* 1-1-1
35 L1 w2 L1 +30* 1-1-1
3 w1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
21 L1 L1 w2 +32* 1-1-1
19 L1 L1 L1 +29* 2-2-2
12 w2 L2 w4 +33* 1-1-1

+33u profit in 35 spins.
Table Corrected! Apologies for error.

Recommend you give this a try.

Have fun with it - - I most certainly did!!

Regards, Atlantis.

Hi Atlantis, I am liking the new system. I can't seem to get to grips with the progression. Reset when ahead? On you example above you are ahead at number 17 but playing 1-2-2? Many Thanks Koolkat

atlantis · Jun 12, 03:25 AM 2013

Hi KoolKat,
I need to revise that progression I think.... Could be dangerous with sleepers - but I have an idea.
I will post later with some bad numbers and a suggestion to deal with this.

A.

atlantis · Jun 12, 04:55 AM 2013

Hi KoolKat,

Below is my suggested improvement:

[reveal]

Changed the progression to be SAFER....

+1 on a WIN - stay at 2u until loss

Back to 1u on a loss.

No bet higher than 2units!

* = Reset when level or ahead.

Here are same Live autowheel results as previous:

#Spun LOW D3 C3 +0 NextBet
========================================
1 1-1-1 first bet always 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +3* 1-1-1 ahead so stay at 1-1-1
28 L1 w2 L2 +2 1-2-1 d3 won but still behind so 1-2-1
29 L1 w4 L1 +5* 1-1-1 d3 won and ahead so reset to 1-1-1
5 w1 L2 L1 +4 2-1-1 LOW won but still behind so 2-1-1
31 L2 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1 LOW lost D3 won and C3 lost; behind so 1-2-1
3 w2 L2 w2 +5* 1-1-1
17 w2 L1 L2 +4 2-1-1
35 L2 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1
12 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
22 L2 L1 L2 -1 1-1-1
29 L1 w2 L1 -1 1-1-1
27 L1 w2 w2 +2 1-2-2
28 L1 w4 L2 +3 1-2-1
6 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
7 w2 L1 w4 +9* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +11* 1-1-1
13 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
9 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
14 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
24 L2 w2 w2 +12* 1-1-1
30 L1 w2 w2 +15* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 w2 +16* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +15 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +17* 1-1-1
10 w1 L1 L1 +16 2-1-1
1 w2 L1 L1 +16 2-1-1
28 L2 w2 L1 +15 1-2-1
2 w1 L2 L1 +13 2-1-1
15 w2 L2 L1 +12 2-1-1
35 L2 w2 L1 +11 1-2-1
3 w1 L2 w2 +12 2-1-2
21 L2 L1 w4 +13 1-1-2
19 L1 L1 L1 +10 1-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-2

+13u profit in 35 spins.
No bet higher than 2u.

Numbers from start of dublin4000.txt spins:

#spun LOW D3 COL3 +/- Next bet
=============================================
34 1-1-1
8 w1 L1 L1 -1 2-1-1
33 L2 w2 w2 +1* 1-1-1
16 w1 L1 L1 +0 2-1-1
0 L2 L1 L1 -4 1-1-1
9 w1 L1 w2 -2 2-1-2
15 w2 L1 w4 +3* 1-1-1
36 L1 w2 w2 +7* 1-1-1
8 w1 L1 L1 +6 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +9* 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +9* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +8 2-1-1
28 L2 w2 L1 +7 1-2-1
33 L1 w4 w2 +12* 1-1-1
7 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
4 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
26 L2 w2 L1 +10 1-2-1
34 L1 w2 L1 +10 1-2-1
2 w1 L2 L1 +9 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +11 1-2-2
4 w1 L2 L2 +8 1-1-1
0 L1 L1 L1 +5 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +5 1-1-2
10 w2 L1 L2 +4 2-1-2
8 w2 L1 L2 +3 2-1-1
13 w2 L1 L1 +3 2-1-1
14 w2 L1 L1 +3 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +6 2-1-2
13 w2 L1 L2 +5 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +8 2-1-2
20 L2 L1 L2 +3 1-1-1
26 L1 w2 L1 +3 1-2-1
9 w1 L2 w2 +4 2-1-2
16 w2 L1 L2 +3 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 w2 +6 2-1-2
6 w2 L1 w2 +9 2-1-2
26 L2 w2 L2 +7 1-2-1
20 L1 L2 L1 +3 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +5 2-1-2
15 w2 L1 w4 +10 2-1-2
5 w2 L1 L2 +9 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +9 2-1-1
3 w2 L1 w2 +12 2-1-2
14 w2 L1 L2 +11 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +11 2-1-1
18 w2 L1 w2 +14* 1-1-1
18 w1 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
2 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
36 L2 w2 w2 +15* 1-1-1
14 w1 L1 L1 +14 2-1-1
25 L2 w2 L1 +13 1-2-1
9 w1 L2 w2 +14 2-1-2
24 w2 L1 w4 +19* 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
4 w2 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
23 L2 L1 L1 +14 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +15 2-1-2
30 L2 L1 w4 +16 1-1-2
12 L1 L1 w4 +18 1-1-2
8 w2 L1 L2 +17 2-1-1
34 L2 w2 L1 +16 1-2-1
13 w1 L2 L1 +15 2-1-1
22 L2 L1 L1 +11 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
5 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
13 w2 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-2
10 w2 L1 L2 +12 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +15 2-1-2
1 w2 L1 L2 +14 2-1-1
32 L2 w2 L1 +13 1-2-1
18 w1 L2 w2 +14 2-1-2
5 w2 L1 L2 +13 2-1-1
10 w2 L1 L1 +13 2-1-1
24 L2 L1 w2 +12 1-1-2
11 w1 L1 L2 +10 2-1-1
18 w2 L1 w2 +13 2-1-1
17 w2 L1 L2 +12 2-1-1
11 w2 L1 L1 +12 2-1-1
24 L2 L1 w2 +11 1-1-2
24 L1 L1 w4 +13 1-1-2
24 L1 L1 w4 +15 1-1-2
23 L1 L1 L2 +11 1-1-1
24 L1 L1 w2 +11 1-1-2
32 L1 w2 L2 +10 1-2-1
5 w1 L2 L1 +9 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +11 2-1-2
31 L2 w2 L2 +10 1-2-1
3 w1 L2 w2 +11 1-1-2
27 L1 w2 w4 +16 1-2-2
20 L1 L2 L2 +11 1-1-1
5 w1 L1 L1 +10 2-1-1
33 L2 w2 w2 +12 1-2-2
6 w1 L2 w4 +15 2-1-2
18 w2 L2 w4 +19* 1-1-1
25 L1 w2 L1 +18 1-2-1
4 w1 L2 L1 +16 2-1-1
12 w2 L1 w2 +19* 1-1-1
2 w1 L1 L1 +18 2-1-1
21 L2 L1 w2 +17 1-1-2
18 w1 L1 w4 +20* 1-1-1
18 w1 L1 w2 +22* 1-1-1
33 L1 w2 w2 +25* 1-1-1
7 w1 L1 L1 +24 2-1-1
6 w2 L1 w2 +27* 1-1-1
12 w1 L1 w2 +29* 1-1-1

110 spins = +29u profit.
Highest bet = 2

[/reveal]

Atlantis.

ignatus · Jun 12, 06:52 AM 2013

Your effort is impressive.

Chrisbis · Jun 12, 08:41 AM 2013

@Atlantis

Quote
Hi KoolKat,
Below is my suggested improvement:

Reveal (click to show/hide)

I am liking it, cause on a Winning Trend (one of the 3 bet selections), You are partially following the trend by increasing the Win element with the +1.
Helps keep loses to minimum, by virtually flat betting on the loss side, with Positive progression on the short win cycle.
Liking it very much.
Much better than progression (like a varied Marty, or Fibo) on all three elements, and its better than taking the 3 as a total group*.
(* with total group play, if the group loses, it so easy to fall into the trap of increasing ALL three elements by +1, which on a bad trend, (like hitting 19,20,22,23 or 0), will rack up big losses, that have to be recovered.

Very clever adaptation You have there. Well done!

Here's the visual on the bet You have described:-

GLC · Jun 12, 09:50 AM 2013

Pretty impressive.

So close to a flat bet that calling it a progression seems silly.

What has to happen for us to have a losing trot? And how often can we expect it to show it's ugly head?

GLC

atlantis · Jun 12, 09:53 AM 2013

Hi Chrisbis,
Thanks for putting up the visual representation! S'pose we could take the zero completely out of the equation if playing on BVNZ.
You're absolutely right in your comments, by the way. That is exactly why I built it that way, having tried the original and faced some hefty drawdowns and spiralling stakes due to "sleepers". So now is safer and simpler; you can still lose of course... but maybe not so much if playing with small value amounts.
Regards, A

TwoCatSam · Jun 12, 09:58 AM 2013

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 11, 09:52 AM 2013
Only 1 change: When the EC reaches 5, raise line to 2 whether or not there has been two Ls in a row.

Up about 70E

Sam

The above statement is wrong. Sorry. Will re-think my thought on that.

This thread has broken into three systems. Or more!

I'm sticking with Atlantis' original for now.

Chrisbis · Jun 12, 10:08 AM 2013

Quote from: atlantis on Jun 12, 09:53 AM 2013
Hi Chrisbis,
Thanks for putting up the visual representation! S'pose we could take the zero completely out of the equation if playing on BVNZ.
So now is safer and simpler; you can still lose of course... but maybe not so much if playing with small value amounts.
Regards, A

Time for Nickmsi to make an Excell sheet for it, toss it over the fence to Samster, and him bang out a few days of it on his three horse powered PC's!

Go Samster...............GO!

Chrisbis · Jun 12, 11:57 AM 2013

@Atlantis

Is this the exact opposite bet?

atlantis · Jun 12, 11:59 AM 2013

YES!

A.

atlantis · Jun 12, 12:02 PM 2013

Quote from: TwoCatSam on Jun 12, 09:58 AM 2013
The above statement is wrong. Sorry. Will re-think my thought on that.

This thread has broken into three systems. Or more!

I'm sticking with Atlantis' original for now.

Hi Sam,
I now have a better progression idea for this same selection strategy, Sam. (EC + Line variant)
Can you give me some actual numbers from your records (say about 50) playing this so I can see how it pans out?
Thanks.
A.

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