1 Dozen + 1 Double street

[Serendipity]

I say that if we find the right progression, then the EC+Doz+Col is a winner (86%+ chance on 0 wheel).
Atlantis came up with 2u max method and I say we must build the strategy on his idea.
I'll be doing some testing and will come up with some results...

Adrian

[TwoCatSam]

Dublin playing $1 per EC.  That's the least you can play on an EC.

AGAIN.........more people should examine this easy peasy idea.  Oh...only if you want to make a little pocket change.

Sam

[Norb Niven]

i did 6 times 10000 totally random spins to test both systems.

2u max system is the one where u dont bet more than 2 units
regular system is the one described in reply #64

10k totally random spins
2u max system = 1004u loss
regular system = 2738u profit (97697 lowest draw)

another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1145u loss
regular system = 2688u profit (97945u lowest draw)

another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1329u loss
regular system = 2675u profit (1500165u lowest draw)

another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1196u loss
regular system = 2817u profit (6524u lowest draw)

another 10k random spins
2u max system = 1341u loss
regular system = 2800u profit (8072u lowest draw)

another 10k random spins
2u max system = 970u loss
regular system = 2672u profit (8955u lowest draw)

looks like the 2u max system is very risky.  the lowest draw was always very close to the units lost.  it never really recovered.

the regular system looks great on the other hand.  lots of potential in it.  the 1000u draws came long after u could've made 100u+ profits. (although it could have come anytime earlier).   with a good stop loss applied, this looks like a winner.

note: these are not real spins, just totally random.  i'll run some true RNG spins on the same systems later...

[Serendipity]

if anyone could code this Atlantis' EC+Doz+Col strategy
could be a real winner

Adrian

[Norb Niven]

here are some tests i ran on playtech casinos

King 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 121u loss
regular system = 321u profit (1186 lowest draw)

Bellini 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 59u profit
regular system = 281u profit (3881 lowest draw)

Riva 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 161u loss
regular system = 313u profit (1288 lowest draw)

PKR 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 80u loss
regular system = 312u profit (1706 lowest draw)

Las Vegas 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 151u loss
regular system = 254u profit (2343 lowest draw)

Club Gold 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 115u loss
regular system = 288u profit (1636 lowest draw)

Noble 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 161u loss
regular system = 269u profit (3149 lowest draw)

21 Nova 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 106u loss
regular system = 274u profit (451 lowest draw)

Vegas Red 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 109u loss
regular system = 245u profit (726 lowest draw)

Club Dice 1000 RNG spins
2u max system = 125u loss
regular system = 334u profit (8837 lowest draw)

the system where u bet 2 units max almost always loses.  i should try the one previous to that (before the 2u modification), which had the sleepers,  it might work better, i dont know...

but the regular system which is described in detail in reply #64 looks pretty good.  with some stop loss it can produce nice profit.

[TwoCatSam]

Thanks, Atlantis!!

[Serendipity]

Norb Niven, you're doing a great job. We all thank you.
regular system looks great, although every time appeared this big lowest draw that's kind of hard to handle.
Can you tell when exactly did it appear in the long run? Is there a pattern? Could it work with a stop-loss method?
I can't wait for more info. thanks.

Adrian

[Serendipity]

Thanks, Atlantis!!

good job over there. Are you playing the EC + doublestreet method? What was your lowest draw and do you recover easily?
Give us some insight

Adrian

[atlantis]

Norb Niven wrote:

the system where u bet 2 units max almost always loses.  i should try the one previous to that (before the 2u modification), which had the sleepers,  it might work better, i don't know...

but the regular system which is described in detail in reply #64 looks pretty good.  with some stop-loss it can produce nice profit.

Hi NN,
You are right. The max of 2u system is not worth the grind overall; it is a loser (maybe with uncapped progression can be better played the regular way as you intimated) I have stopped playing it - One of my more "crazier" ideas. I will not play it either and advise same as you.
Thank you.

A.

[atlantis]

Hi Sam,

Thanks for progress update!

A.

[Chris555p]

Hi Atlantis

Thanks for the update; When playing the system I've had experienced some
losses as well. The system put on the forum kindly, by GLC is somewhat a bit
similar as it is also playing EC but without the dozen.

I've been testing it and playing with great results no losses, no big drawdown,
in about 20 sessions so far. Have a go at it when u have the opportunity and I'm
sure u will be very pleased with the results.


link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=7709.msg113657;topicseen#msg113657

Cheers

Chris

[TwoCatSam]

Hi eddy,

I do similar idea but just started playing daily sessions of 5 games where I bet EC and doublestreet (Line) combo.  Total 24 numbers bet.

A result of +3 or more ends a game. And bear in mind this can occur in just 1 single spin.

On each loss I increase the EC bet by +1.  Only after a set of 2 consecutive losses is the LINE bet also increased by +1.

Bet Selection is easy peasy and one of my trusted favourites derived from my "Line Combo Bet" and "Atlantis Dozens":

If last number is RO or BE then bet HIGH and LINE 3 (13-18)
If last number is BO or RE then bet LOW and LINE 4 (19-24)

Live dealer or live autowheel only. Single 0.

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Todays Live Continuous Session of 14 consecutive games
====================================

8                 bet 2H and 1Line3         +0
18    w3       bet 2L and 1Line4          +3* target
=========================
27    L3        bet 3H and 1Line3         -3
13    w2       bet 2L  and 1Line4         -1
29    L3        bet 3L and 1Line4          -4       
4      w2       bet 2H and 1Line3          -2
7      L3        bet 3H and 1Line3         -5
16    w2        bet 2L and 1Line4         -3
8      w1        bet 2H and 1Line3         -2
36    w1        bet 2L and 1Line4         -1
24    w3        bet 2H and 1Line3         +2
15    w3        bet 2L and 1Line4         +5* target
========================
3      w1        bet 2H and 1Line3         +1
13    w3        bet 2L and 1Line4          +4* target
========================
21    w3        bet 2H and 1Line3          +3* target
========================
13    w3        bet 2L and 1Line4          +3* target
========================
12    w1        bet 2L and 1Line4          +1
13    w1        bet 2L and 1Line4          +2
22    w3        bet 2H and 1Line3         +5* target
========================
23    w1       bet 2H and 1Line3           +1
26    w1       bet 2H and 1Line3           +2
0      L3                                             -1   wait for real number
35               bet 3L and 1Line4
14    w2       bet 2L and 1Line4           +1
23    w3       bet 2H and 1Line3           +4* target
=========================
31    w1       bet 2L and 1Line4           +1
14    w1       bet 2L and 1Line4           +2
23    w3       bet 2H and 1Line3           +5* target
=========================
19    w1       bet 2H and 1Line3           +1
34    w1       bet 2L and 1Line4            +2
24    w3        bet 2H and 1Line3           +5* target
=========================
24    w1       bet 2H and 1Line3           +1
20    w1        bet 2H and 1Line3          +2
1      L3         bet 3H and 1Line3          -1
28    w2         bet 2H and 1Line3         +1
23    w1         bet 2H and 1Line3         +2
7      L3          bet 3H and 1Line3         -1
6      L4          bet 4H and 2Line3         -5
18    w6         bet 3L and 1Line4          +1
16    w2        bet 2L and 1Line4            +3* target
==========================
32    L3         bet 3L and 1 Line4           -3
21    w2       bet 2H and 1Line3             -1
16    w3       bet 2L and 1Line4             +2
18    w1       bet 2L and 1Line4             +3 * target
==========================
15    w1      bet 2L and 1Line4              +1
2      w1      bet 2H and 1Line3             +2
4      L3        bet 3H and 1Line3             -1
0      L4                                                -5  wait for real number
36               bet 4L  and 2Line4
17   w2        bet 3L  and 1Line4           -3
17   w2        bet 2L and 1Line4            -1
13   w1        bet 2L and 1Line4            +0
11   w1        bet 2L and 1Line4            +1
19   w3        bet 2H and 1Line3            +4* target
=========================
23   w1       bet 2H and 1Line3           +1
29   w1       bet 2L and 1Line4            +2
18   w1       bet 2L and 1Line4            +3* target
=========================
10  w1        bet 2H and 1Line3            +1
36  w1        bet 2L and 1Line4             +2
19  w3        bet 2H and 1Line3            +5* target
==========================

Profit = +55pts in 60 spins.   
I play 0.10 chips so that is £5.50 GBP

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Best wishes,
Atlantis.
                                                                             

TO ALL:

The above is the method.

I have always recovered.  I have gone done about 50 Euro and then came back.

Don't tweak it; just play it as written.  If I can help in any way, just ask.  Trying to avoid the sin of hubris.

Sam

[Norb Niven]

Norb Niven, you're doing a great job. We all thank you.
regular system looks great, although every time appeared this big lowest draw that's kind of hard to handle.
Can you tell when exactly did it appear in the long run? Is there a pattern? Could it work with a stop-loss method?
I can't wait for more info. thanks.

Adrian

the lowest draw can happen anytime.  but in between those times there's plenty of opportunity to make profit.
usually you can pretty quickly get to 10u profit.  if i played these playtech tables at these 10 casinos, and made my 10u+ at each game, thats 100u profit.  most of the times 10u+ happens much more often, and much quicker than a 100u loss.  so if one casino loses 100u, the others can make up for it.  that's the theory.  but i need to test it on hundreds of thousands of spins, to figure out where i should put a stop loss.

these playtech casinos have 10c minimum bet, so a $100 bankroll can afford 1000u loss, which happens much less often than a 100u loss.   so the question is, can i make 1$ profit / game a hundred times before i get a $100 loss?

Sam is playing the original system, i'm gonna program that also and compare it with the reply #64 system.   i'm very curious to see how they do when they are put against each other.. 

[Serendipity]

I'm curious to find that too (one system against the other). What you say makes perfect sense.
I can't wait to see your new tests.
Don't know which is best yet, but let's make some profit out of it

Adrian

[Chrisbis]

One set of results..........sorted by one member, and only released one number at a time.
Three members running the three different methods, on those released numbers, and lets see what happens.

Say a 300 spin set to make sense of it all.
Need someone making three graphs, and analysis of the results.

That's my suggestion for a collective forum testbed situation.