Looking for Organic Roulette Machines in Florida.

[ausguy]

Tomla - You say you won on Organic @ the Hard Rock Casino. Good luck to you.  How long did you play for ? How much did you outlay/profit ?

Adulay said he'd "dabbled" recently & won around $20 & $100.

What it seems with all the discussions on the Interblock Organic machine is that no player has come on to any thread (VLS or CC) & claimed they'd had a serious session with a realistic bank roll eg $1k+ and played with a workable system/method + a playable progression. No player has ever reported that they have been consistant winners or at least in profit playing Organic over time ?

This really comes down to playing Organic vs a live dealer wheel. Live wheel is way more popular than Organic, now why would that be ?

My observations on the Interblock Organic at my local casino - Sydney Ozz - Is that mostly the seats to the game are vacant & the players that do play don't last/stay for long. In fact the 2 different Auto roulette games have been moved from their previously prominent positions & now "reside in a quieter backwater  area" of the casino.

All this really means is that the players "$$$ hip pocket nerve" has spoken.

[ausguy]

Xander - Just to be straight up with you, I'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here ?

I base this on the fact that you are a 4 poster "NEWBIE" & your ID is intentionally vague & your location is very wise guy & unfunny - stated as "HERE".

Trying to join the dots on your MO on here doesn't add up for me ? Where do you actually live ?

Where to next after Florida & Oaklahoma, Alaska or maybe Hawaii perhaps ?

[Xander]

Xander - Just to be straight up with you, I'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here ?

I base this on the fact that you are a 4 poster "NEWBIE" & your ID is intentionally vague & your location is very wise guy & unfunny - stated as "HERE".

Trying to join the dots on your MO on here doesn't add up for me ? Where do you actually live ?

Where to next after Florida & Oaklahoma, Alaska or maybe Hawaii perhaps ?

I don't know why you're concerned with the "genuiness" of my thread. I'm not selling anything, and I'm not here to attack anyone.

I'm simply looking for the locations of every Organic Roulette Machine that I can find.  To be specific, I'm looking for a certain program configuration that exists on some of the machines. I've already scouted a large part of the US for the machines, but now I'm filling in the holes where I find them.  I'm simply using forum members to help me fill in some holes on where to find specific machines.
As far as where I live, I'm in the middle of the US. 
Regarding the "Newbie" part: I'm far from being a Newbie when it comes to roulette or the Organic Machines.  I'm simply "new" to this forum, which is rather annoying, since posts take forever to be approved.  Why, I don't know.  I've never been on a forum where I had to wait for a post to be approved.
Regarding Hawaii, it's too far away.  It's not part of the US mainland. 

By the way, I believe the forum setting automatically set the location as "Here".  However, I will take the time right now to correct the location setting.


Again, I have NOTHING to sell.

-Xander

[TwoCatSam]

Oaklahoma

I love it!  This fall when I'm raking my billion oak leaves, I'll think of you Ausguy!!

Sam

[ADulay]

I believe the machine I played in Deadwood, SD the last few years is also an "Organic" machine.

I'll check it out this August when I head back up there for the annual Sturgis motorcycle run.

As to not winning a lot on the machines, in my case it's because I don't normally play roulette.

However, this "may" change in the future if some ideas come full circle, but I'm not holding out for them at this time.

You guys have piqued my interest now and I'll have to make the 80 mile run over to Brighton and write down all of the things you guys have brought up about the Organic machines.   I'll attempt to take pictures as it's never very busy there, especially in the summer months.

AD

[Tomla021]

Hi
Im not here to pick an argument or anything.....I have played roulette and baccarat on the organic machines in CT but the machines where removed , I use progressions and had over  $100 bets on them with no issues. In florida I played a progression for a double field hit on craps . moving up the line to over $100 bets and have had no issues. I actually caught the pays 3-1 12 bet twice on 100 plus bets. The issue is that when they bring the machines in they have programming problems etc..was in Vegas on the main strip staying at the Cosmopolitan but saw several of the machines in a few casinos last week. They are def coming in to replace dealers salaries and the machines are getting better.
The reason people prefer real live dealers is that real live dealers have been around for ever and these robot machines are a wave of the future. The minimums aren't low either on the machines.....

[ausguy]

2cat - Oaklahoma - Twister Alley. 1 Billion leaves - you must have a lot of trees ? Thinking of me when raking your leaves, now that's a first for me >

[ausguy]

Sturgis - So many bikes, so many people. No doubt will hear from you about things if you get to Deadwood.

[ausguy]

Tomla - What's your play MO, Hit & Run ? Do you have a target win amount & if so how often do you make it ?

As to auto wheels being the future I don't see it. Live dealer Theatre roulette is here now, even at the local casino here in Sydney OZ.
Rapid Roulette/baccarat has 3 dealers that service 200 seated terminals. That shrinks about 20 tables/dealers down to just 3. Saving 17 pay packet wages.

A lot of people will only play chip roulette. They want the excitement of betting with other gamblers. Casinos will always have chip games. What they have now covers all bases.

You mentioned the Organic machines at CT being removed, any idea why ? Profit too low perhaps ? If they were making good money why flick them ?

Perhaps for the same reason my local casino moved the auto wheels to a quieter area (as I've previously mentioned) ?

[Tomla021]

I think as you say the players like the live dealers and gravitate towards the robot machines for lower wagers but when they sit down the wagers are no lower (first time I sat down I figured 1 dollar bets? but no they are 10$ ). The ones at foxwoods and Mohegan I have no idea but they where broken down a lot? for whatever reason I like the craps and will play it when I see it , I don't have to worry about advantage dice rollers etc....roulette I still play at live tables 98% of the time

[Xander]

1. How do you know the machines are "often off level" ? Do you carry a spirit level with you or are you very friendly with the service technicians ?
All the play action is within the plexiglass dome, so player access is not possible. As well the casino would be security aware with the cash note acceptors & cash boxes at each player terminal.

Normally players are excluded by the casino from gaining any "inside info." on any of their equipment, especially if they were being serviced ?
Techs don't ever talk to casino customers from my experience of casino visits over many years ?

Major servicing is not usually done on the casino floor anyway. That's what their workshops for. A levelling service (minor) could/would be done insitu.

It's really quite simple.  All you need to do is track the ball drop distribution.  In other words, track where the ball smacks the deflectors/diamonds on the apron each spin.  No "spirit level" is required.  As a matter of fact, a drop distribution test works much better than a level.  Some wheel manufacturers, such as TCS Huxley have begun adding drop distribution sensors into the bowls of their live roulette wheels, as a way of spotting wheels with a "biased ball drop".   However, it's more of an upgrade gimmick by the manufacturers.  In the US, many casinos don't pay very close attention to the drop sensors.  They're more interested in table hold.  They consider putting a level on the wheel each day to be adequate.  By the way, some machine servicing IS done on the floor, since the machines are quite large, and very heavy.   

2. Where did you gain the knowledge about the different programming formats of the ball & wheel speeds ?

Through careful observation.  It's not rocket science.  Some machines spin the ball with several seconds remaining, some don't.  On some of the machines the ball makes an average of 11 revs.  On others it makes an average of 17.  Some versions get more spins per hour than other machines.  It all depends on the settings.

3. In your post #1 of June 20 - Your were canvasing other posters as to Organic Roulette machines in Florida, then your asking the same thing for Oaklahoma ?
So by logic you wouldn't have any familarity with games in these locations ?

Casinos are rapidly adding these machines.  Oklahoma has 94 Indian owned casinos and isn't too far away for me to drive.  None of the OK casinos have live roulette.  However, some casinos may now be adding them, since most states consider them to be slot machines.   A good example is Arizona.  They don't permit live roulette, but now they permit the airball machines like Roulette Evolution, Organic Roulette, Megastar, and Shuffle Masters version.   

Regarding Florida: I like Florida during the summer and I enjoy the ocean and the beach.  Hillsboro beach is a great place to stay.  While I'm there I want to play some of the Organic Machines within the region.

4. I'm 100% sure I'm not confusing the organic machine. The full ID is Interblock Organic (can't you ID the Interblock logos somewhere on the play area ?), go to their web site & check if you disbelieve.  VLS has the link @ post #3 on this thread.
If you have the familiarity you say have have, then you should already know this ? Organic is the only wheel that has 18 diamonds & that's the only one I've been talking about.
Megastar doesn't have 18 diamonds & the same design as Organic as these designs are, like all equipment, copyright.   

I'm very familiar with them and have even read some of the patents.  I just wasn't sure if YOU knew much about them.  I meant to say 18 deflectors.  Before you assume that you know  that no other machine has 18 diamonds you should do more research.  There are several different machines (Other than Interblock) being distributed.  New designs and distributors are showing up every week.

A side note on real wheels: At one time, standard roulette wheels had twice the number of deflectors that they do now.  The reason wheel engineers reduced the number of deflectors was to reduce the predictability of the wheels by wheel watchers. (Visual ballistic players.) 

-Xander

[ausguy]

Xander - Moderator delays for newbies is standard & is a filter against spam & unpleasant posts. This was brought in due to problems in past years.

You can contact a Mod. via the forum if you need more answers.

Re : your mention about you not selling anything, I'm at a loss to why you brought it up as I never said anything to you about that kind of thing ?

As to the 18 deflector thing. What other maker has 18 deflectors ? I can only go by what I see here in OZ which only has about 8% of the USA population.
So way less casinos but all quality venues that have most of the latest on offer world wide.

As to tagging Auto wheel roulette as slot machines that's almost correct. Worldwide they are classed as EGMs Electronic game machines.
Slots/Airball/RNG are all in the same ballpark. Why ? Because a computer program controls the results.

That's why I don't play any of  them.                    My previous posts detail this.       It's all for viewing at most Gaming Authorities Sites.

As to the patent thing that's all well & good for the physical part but the CPU & associated software program technical info. would not be revealed in the patent information.

All that operating data is highly confidential information & would never be available to outsiders like us for obvious reasons. Only a select authourised
few.  It's not rocket science you say. HA! HA! HA!  Maybe not but not far off it.

If your knowledge gives you an edge to win decent amounts on a regular basis on selected ORGANIC machines then good fortune to you. By decent amounts I would think at least an average weeks pay per day. I assume your plan is to short period bet at each location to "fly under the radar" In OZ that would be at least $1k per day. If your driving/flying  then  food/accommodation/ travel all eats into the bottom line.

Overall Xander my view is that you won't profit in a viable way playing Interblock Organic. I'm still waiting for someone to come along & prove me wrong by showing me big wads of high denomination US dollar bills or similar from their multi, multi, multi wins. I feel it may be something akin to waiting for the sun to rise from the West.

As you spoke about real wheels you may be interested in visiting on line the wheel makers site Cammergh.com. They have details on their new wheels that have variable rotor speeds, air jet holes in the ball track, new design ball pockets for dealer wheels that gives increased randomness.

Also, incredible as it may seem, I do know where Hawaii is. Being an Island out in the Pacific obviously I know it's not part of Mainland USA.

Capt. James Cook of England mapped it in 1778.  The same guy that found & claimed Australia & New Zealand for England.

[Xander]

Overall Xander my view is that you won't profit in a viable way playing Interblock Organic. I'm still waiting for someone to come along & prove me wrong by showing me big wads of high denomination US dollar bills or similar from their multi, multi, multi wins. I feel it may be something akin to waiting for the sun to rise from the West.

Ausguy,

Yes, the machines aren't for everyone.  They're very complex.  You should probably stick to the live game

-Xander

[ausguy]

Xander - Yes "DAD" thanks for the advice. Obviously you haven't absorbed, amongst a number of things, from my posts that I only promote "sticking" to a live dealer game ? I've already mentioned many times why I don't play Organic, so why do suggest something that's already "set in concrete" by me ?

You being the self professed GURU of Interblock Organic MAY in due time reveal how successful or unsuccessful you are/were with your play ?

Meanwhile, with the sun still rising in the East, I'll stick with the live dealers.

[Xander]

I'm somewhat concerned as to the genuiness of your thread/posts on here

Ausguy,

Just curious, why did you post that comment?