Looking for Organic Roulette Machines in Florida.

[Xander]

I'm looking for Organic Roulette machines in Florida.  If you have one nearby, let me know. 

Thanks!

[Chrisbis]

Is that machines that grow out of sterile casino grounds? 

[VLS]

I think he's talking about Interblock's Organic Roulette

link:://:.interblock.eu/products/G4/roulette/

Is that machines that grow out of sterile casino grounds?

Great pun! 

[ADulay]

I'm looking for Organic Roulette machines in Florida.  If you have one nearby, let me know. 

Thanks!

Xander,

  At least two of the Seminole casinos have them.   Immokalee and Brighton are the two that I'm familiar with and have played on both.

  AD

[TwoCatSam]

I read this the first time at 3 am and I was a tad groggy.  Could have sworn he said "Orgasmic Roulette".  I went back to bed wondering about "orgasmic roulette".  Well, I dozed off thinking about it and dreamed of a woman who put $100 between the Monster's eyes and it hit.

I shant go any further....

[Xander]

Has anyone seen Organic Roulette machines in Oklahoma?

[ausguy]

Xander - Adulay will most likely remember me posting very negatively some time back about these Interblock Organic Machines.
In fact I now view them as GM machines = genetically modified roulette machines.

The most obvious difference is the 18, yes EIGHTEEN, oversize diamonds. Near enough any 2 diamonds covers 2 wheel pockets, ideal for the game to "channel" the ball to any 2 pocket sections of the wheel, with imperceptible wheel & ball speed changes to the players eyes.

Compare these diamonds to live dealer wheels, where the ones I saw only had 8 diamonds around the wheel circle & significantly smaller.

Why wouldn't they just have 8 normal wheel diamonds ? Also take note of the the steep down ramp apron from the ball track which allows the target pocket to be readily hit. With the deep pockets there is very little scatter or ball bounce.

So when you visit a casino with the Organic wheel just spend 10 minutes or so and compare the differences between the wheels.

Also try betting on the Interblock the minimum inside amounts & the maximum numbers to give 1 unit profit. Relocate your unbet numbers for each new spin.

I'll wager you'll lose a lot of money within 10 spins. There will be sessions where you do win but it's the continuing re-visits that count, the accumulation of wins & loses. The machine is interactive so it may be targeting other players to keep the cash flow coming the casinos way. Mostly players suffer in silence.

Good luck & keep a record of your plays & tell us here how you went ?

[ausguy]

Just to add Re accumulation of wins & losses, naturally this is true of any gambling game but with roulette you have a fairer chance of winning by always playing live dealer.

Adulay or anybody can you truthfully say that you are in long term profit playing Interblock Organic because of the cheaper minimum rather than live dealer. ? Ad I think you are now concentrating on baccarat as you don't have to contend with the green goblin(s) ?

[Xander]

Ausguy,

14 oversized diamonds could actually be more advantageous to the player.   The reason that 14 is better than just eight is because you're more likely to find a diamond directly at, or close to the highest point on an off level wheel.  This should also make it easier to find any potential patterns within the data. 

[ADulay]

Adulay or anybody can you truthfully say that you are in long term profit playing Interblock Organic because of the cheaper minimum rather than live dealer. ? Ad I think you are now concentrating on baccarat as you don't have to contend with the green goblin(s) ?

In my own case, I wouldn't qualify my play as anything resembling "serious" roulette play.  I have merely dabbled with both machines when I came across them, although I have produced a singular $20 profit on one of them and less than $100 on the Brighton machine.

I will take a closer look at them to see about the 18 diamonds and the steep drop.

The scatter of the ball appeared to be "normal" to me, but then I don't see or play a lot of roulette so my opinion on it would not be as valid as a regular player.

Playing these machines because of their 'lower' minimums is NOT a reason to play as they are much higher than I would expect for these areas.   $5 minimum on EC and $1 inside, minimum $5 is a bit high considering the demographic that these casinos cater to, especially the Brighton Indian casino.

However, I'll be sure and check it out a bit closer the next time I run on over to it.

AD

[TwoCatSam]

Has anyone seen Organic Roulette machines in Oklahoma?

All I've seen is Roulette Evolution.

Sam

[ausguy]

Xander it's 18 diamonds not 14. Alarm bells should ring due to the 18 vs 8 comparison. That's 225% more oversize diamonds than a  standard wheel ?

Besides they don't function like a normal wheel deflector that scatters the ball, they are ball TO pocket guides.
Also these machines are classed as electronic gaming machines = EGMs, the same as slots & RNG games, yes they look & feel like a real wheel  but at least you should ask yourself WHY IS IT SO ? It's because the spins aren't true random events. These machines are set to run automatically unsupervised & give the casino its consistant profit %, just as slots do. The only way they can do that is to control the results.

It takes a lot of digging to find this info. on gaming regulators sites as Casinos don't (have to) display that an auto roulette wheel is an EGM ? The regulators have a lot of classifications for EGMs so it ain't easy to figure this stuff out.

As with slots, audits have to show that the COMBINED player % returns are being met. I read sometime ago about EGMs & that they use longer term stats to check the accuracy of payouts. Moving averages etc. This may be monthly or similar ? The computer program ensures that player payout % are always achieved over the longer term as they can't account for players short term bet decisions.
Winning & losing spikes are all part of it to keep the gambling challenge bug in players often coming back for another SESSION.

I doubt that the wheel would be off level ? When they set them up they accurately level them & probably do a check service at regular intervals ? Modern wheels have out of level detectors & statistical analysis to ID any bias.

A check of Interblocks PR shows Carbon fibre used in constructing the wheel surrounds & ball track. As in F1 they use it due to it's light weight/strength,toughness & machinability.
With CNC machining they can easily achieve micro millimetre accuracies, so in reality there is no high point & off level Organic wheels, in short a fallacy.

The main thing on Organic is that the wheel & ball speeds are controlled. Tracking patterns & dominant diamonds is a waste of time. From memory I think the ball (big as it is) spins in the same direction & mostly drops at the 9 o'clock position using zero @ 12 o'clock ? Think of it as a little robot inside watching, calculating & operating the control levers to regulate the ball & wheel speeds to hit the target no. most of the time. Remember inside the dome is a controlled enviroment.

When at the play check out if you can see any ball speed sensors ? LEDs in the ball track ? They use to have an overhead reader on the machine in 2010.
Graphics on their PR doesn't reveal an overhead ?

It doesn't matter anyway if the ball always drops at the same diamond because the bets have already timed out and with variable wheel speed any number can be put in the drop zone. Varying drop zones, if present, are only done to give the illusion of randomness.

I stand to be corrected that bets time out before the spin starts ? This prevents any VB or electronic prediction tracking ?

You may choose not to believe Xander that an Interblock Organic wheel can spin up any 2 number positions & often hitting unbet numbers ( these are casino winning & player losing numbers) but through many losing playing experiences in 2010 on them I have avoided DONATING money to them since then.

Always remember the computer program they have is interactive to the combined bets. Sure some players have won big on them but Interblock has made sure the casino has got it's cut. Winners generally return anyway to eventually DONATE all their profits & then some back to the wheel ?  Notice how flashy the wheels are, brightly lit, nice colours, comfortable seats, convenient touch screen betting.

Wins your heart, wins your mind, wins YOUR money.

As in past posts on other threads on this same Interblock topic some have chosen not to believe my given facts & opinions. However, significantly, no player has come back on any of the threads & proven me wrong by reporting consistant winning Organic results using their chosen system. Viable amounts related to wages/salaries & the costs of living, not piece money that only buys a meal & a few beers ?

Winners often report their good luck, losers are usually less forthcoming. It's the nature of the gambling beast but it also distorts the true reality of the increase in RNG/EGM equipment in casinos. After all they don't have them so that the players can profit more often, quite the opposite.

Ad - Hi, just to dabble on Organic is a wise way to play.

[Xander]

I meant to say 18, not 14.

Contrary to believe, the deflectors are your friend. 

And yes, the machines do produce dominant ball drop zones and are often off level.

The machine can be programmed to operate in different formats.  Some spin the ball with six to roughly nine seconds remaining, others with zero to three seconds remaining, and others at -1 seconds to two seconds remaining. 

The ball travel times and revs are very consistent, and vary little.  The wheel does change speed, however some of the machines are programmed to stop changing wheels speeds before the ball is spun. 

I suspect that you're confusing the Organic with the Megastar machine that is also being distributed.   I'm quite familiar with the Organic machine.


-Xander

[Tomla021]

i was in florida at the hard rock near ft lauderdale...they had organic roulette and craps/sic bo,,, they seem to produce legit results even when im alone and betting 50-75 dollars i win.....the craps pays 3-1 on a field roll 12,,,i also played both in vegas this week

[ausguy]

Xander - all good if you are winning ? Did you/are winning = in good profit playing the Organic machines ? As you don't actually say if you are/were successful?

In fact it's unclear if you've been to a casino for Organic play in Florida yet ?

The very best of luck if you have had regular success ?

Now some comment/questions on your last post of June 21.

1. How do you know the machines are "often off level" ? Do you carry a spirit level with you or are you very friendly with the service technicians ?
All the play action is within the plexiglass dome, so player access is not possible. As well the casino would be security aware with the cash note acceptors & cash boxes at each player terminal.

Normally players are excluded by the casino from gaining any "inside info." on any of their equipment, especially if they were being serviced ?
Techs don't ever talk to casino customers from my experience of casino visits over many years ?

Major servicing is not usually done on the casino floor anyway. That's what their workshops for. A levelling service (minor) could/would be done insitu.

2. Where did you gain the knowledge about the different programming formats of the ball & wheel speeds ?

3. In your post #1 of June 20 - Your were canvasing other posters as to Organic Roulette machines in Florida, then your asking the same thing for Oaklahoma ?
So by logic you wouldn't have any familarity with games in these locations ?

4. I'm 100% sure I'm not confusing the organic machine. The full ID is Interblock Organic (can't you ID the Interblock logos somewhere on the play area ?), go to their web site & check if you disbelieve.  VLS has the link @ post #3 on this thread.
If you have the familiarity you say have have, then you should already know this ? Organic is the only wheel that has 18 diamonds & that's the only one I've been talking about.
Megastar doesn't have 18 diamonds & the same design as Organic as these designs are, like all equipment, copyright.