Yankee Doodles

[Priyanka]

what do you mean by "static bet selection"? Remember, roulette can give you ANY number. If u give preference to certain numbers in your bet selections, your playing is DOOMED on a long run. Because it is biased. And the wheel is not-- in this certain case.

Iggiv,

I meant something like an action number 22 system. It is a static bet selection. So your advice is not to follow methods like this even though it is being popularized by a renowed person like JP?

Cheers
Yanks!

[Priyanka]

I wouldnt ever consider RNG. I've seen prospects change after a dealer change hundreds of times. it makes a difference after a dealer change.

Thanks Turner and iggiv. Will keep that in mind!

[TwoCatSam]

I wouldn't ever consider RNG. I've seen prospects change after a dealer change hundreds of times. it makes a difference after a dealer change.

To my apostrophe-hatin' buddy from across the post with a new baby in the collective family....

What if your current run of RNG numbers was just what you wanted them to be?  A change would not be so good.

While Ralph teaches that each number from BV is exactly the same as every other number in the way it is chosen, one trot will just kill me and one will make me whole.  They can be very different.  Killing BV and starting over can be very helpful or very hurtful.

Samster

[Turner]

To my apostrophe-hatin' buddy from across the post with a new baby in the collective family....

What if your current run of RNG numbers was just what you wanted them to be?  A change would not be so good.

While Ralph teaches that each number from BV is exactly the same as every other number in the way it is chosen, one trot will just kill me and one will make me whole.  They can be very different.  Killing BV and starting over can be very helpful or very hurtful.

Samster

Sam....my punctuation and spelling are plain aweful....agreed.
i am a purist....and just feel that when you pit youself against roulette...it should include a wheel...ball and a dealer ...all 3 are missing with RNG.
Imagine you went to the casino and there were no wheels. Everything same but the dealer pressed a button and after last bets...and 6 seconds....a number showed on the marque.
How sh#t would that be?

[Priyanka]

Turner,

Its not a fair comparison. Agreed! Random produced by RNG is not true random generated by wheel, ball and dealer. But the comparison you make is the way one sees the whole experience. I might prefer using my mobile phone to browse, while my dad prefers his laptop. The experience is different, the concept is same. To me the concept across RNG and wheel based play is same. You get a random output from 0 to 36 and the players bet on their preferred set of odds. The experience is different. Some might like the music of balls on the wheel and the dealers calling no more bets. I absolutely love it. Some might like sitting in front of the screen and watching simulated numbers appearing in the cosy comfots of home sipping a coffee. Its a personal choice. I personally don't enjoy it as much as I cherish the casino atmosphere.  As long as both are not rigged, it is a fair play in both. But I take all your advice to not bet big or settle on RNG until I am able to develop my own opinion.  But the experience is purely a personal choice in my humble view

[iggiv]

Well, i am risking to make some of my friends angry, but after some of my experience in analyzing roulette i came to conclusion that such stiff patterns of betting as JP's action numbers (betting it just flatbet) are doomed.
He uses it with some tricks (pullup and other stuff), so it may work maybe with combinations with tricks like that.

but if we talk just bet selection there should be something  wider, more complicated and different than the same 22 numbers.

Iggiv,

I meant something like an action number 22 system. It is a static bet selection. So your advice is not to follow methods like this even though it is being popularized by a renowed person like JP?

Cheers
Yanks!

[Turner]

Priyanka....
As an engineer....i see it as a black box situation.
RNG is a black box. It has an output that no one here...no ralph or anyone could tell me the first thing about how it is generated and how much influence the owner has on it. It ideally is a fair random output...but that can only be an assumption. A lot of that assumption is removed by a real person spinning a real ball on a real wheel .
Its fixable...for sure...with magnets or air jets ....but thats far from my mind when playing a real wheel.
I just cant trust a black box in the hands of a cut throat industry.
Just my view...and its down to what you feel comfortable with i guess.
Its the difference between "I cant see them doing it" with RNG....which is a moral trust and "I cant see how they could be doing it" with a real wheel....which is a visual observation.

[Priyanka]

Well, i am risking to make some of my friends angry, but after some of my experience in analyzing roulette i came to conclusion that such stiff patterns of betting as JP's action numbers (betting it just flatbet) are doomed.

All the best with your friends, am sure everyone is entitled a viewpoint . And infact, I like your point of views as it helps me form my own perspective as you have gathered through your experience in analysing roulette. It is very VALUABLE!

He uses it with some tricks (pullup and other stuff), so it may work maybe with combinations with tricks like that.

but if we talk just bet selection there should be something  wider, more complicated and different than the same 22 numbers.

At the moment, yes at the moment, am holding a balanced view. It might change after I see myself going through 100s of thousands of spins. My view is there are trends you can catch. And there are anti-trends you can catch as well. It all is embedded in a time capsule. The world of random makes the trends and anti-trends fluctuate, no body has a control on it. This is one dimension.

The second dimension the degree of predictability on these trends and anti-trends. Sometimes the degree of predictability is higher and at times it is lower. So indirectly, things might work well going with the predictions in a time capsule and in a different time capsule, things might work well going against the prediction.

Within this three dimensions of time capsule, trends and degree of predictability lies the success/failure. Trends and degree of predictability are controlled by nature, where you cannot express your control on. Time capsule is again controlled by nature but I believe (Yes, at the moment I believe) that you can influence it to a certain extent. Not exhibiting an intrusive influence by being able to change it, but by exhibiting a passive influence to control your play through mini sessions with well defined stop-loss rules and target rules that will make you feel happy and create a positive air around you.

This thought is what is leading me to believe that any effort spent on bet selection on the "Where" part is an effort wasted and for one to be successful the focus should be on the "Which" part of bet selection and the "How much(MM)" part of the play. Be it dynamic or static or random on the "Where" part, they all will lead to same/similar results is my hypothesis. To reiterate I am not saying that static bet selection is good, I am just saying that a dynamic more complex bet selection process has the same influence as a static bet selection process in the final outcome over lets say 10 sessions played.

[Priyanka]

As an engineer....i see it as a black box situation.

UK is starting to trust more black box situation by outsourcing jobs to India.

Agree with you Turner, it is more like you would like a banker counting the notes in front of you even after putting the money on the weighing/counting scale to show what is the value of the bundle. I still remember how my dad used not to trust internet payments and we never shopped anything on the net. I still remember how he boasted after my paypal account got hacked. We have very healthy debates on this topic at home. Probably, I should ask him his views on RNG. I am sure he hates it, as I have never seen him play online

[TwoCatSam]

A dynamic bet assumes that if you jump around, random won't find you.  This is another form of "Hit and Run". 

Yanks, I can tell you from years of watching a ball and an RNG that random can and will find you.  You are correct, if I read you right, that dynamic and static--over time--will produce the same result.

Imagine a wheel doing this:  R B R B for the next 100 spins.  Will you ever see it?  I seriously doubt it.  Why?  That's not random at all.  So from that we know that the wheel MUST produce runs.  It simply must; it can't avoid doing it.  And it can't produce RRR for 50 spins and BBB for the next fifty.

So what you get is the runs and the chops intermingled.  This will be true 100 years from now when we're all in Heaven cussing Random. 

The answer is simple:  Learn to get on red when red is going to run.

The answer is very complicated!!

Samster

[teo]

If you find/read believe/that roulette is random,then you can't lose playing it randomly.
The true is that it isn't,as there are many factors that interfere its random behaviour.

[Priyanka]

Apart from rigging I can't think of any. Flat do you mind explaining more?

[teo]

Can,and mostly do,influenced by dealers/some don't think this possible,I know it better/
by control room with very sophisticated modern artilery...ppl.not aware what those mafia
capable of doing to take money out of your pockets...am talking here of heavy/weight category
players,they always under control.Suggestion;never bay heavy chips on the table,play on several diff.tables.

[Priyanka]

Can,and mostly do,influenced by dealers/some don't think this possible,I know it better/
by control room with very sophisticated modern artilery...people.not aware what those mafia
capable of doing to take money out of your pockets...am talking here of heavy/weight category
players,they always under control.Suggestion;never bay heavy chips on the table,play on several diff.tables.

Thanks flat. But that's again rigging at a sophisticated level isn't it.  I read BM and he tells how dealers influence the game. We have a wheel at home. My dad can swing the ball with a high degree of accuracy to a position he wants in the table. He doesn't get it right always, but most of the times:)

So unless someone claims otherwise I can safely conclude that wheel produces random unless it is rigged!

[iggiv]

Roulette is working such a way that most likely certain "static" or as i call it "stiff pattern" bets (like 22 action numbers) are usually doomed.


I told it many times, roulette reminds me of very clever boxer who looks for your "weak spots". Once he realizes
that u don't cover some numbers (for example other than 22 "action numbers") u will get those uncovered numbers more and more frequently when you play. That's  how roulette works. You have to hold certain balance and cover more or less all the wheel during your playing (i mean within long time periods). That's why "static bets" are doomed.
Static bets are BIASED. And the wheel which you are playing is not. At least we don't know about any bias.
But you behave as if it were biased. When u use your "action numbers" bet and you expect it to win more than lose, you expect that roulette will give you more of those 22 numbers, than the rest of the numbers.
Which is wrong...Despite any trends you get...