Even Chance System #101

[GLC]

Tom

I care.  I just ask questions.

GLC

How do you do this handing-off of debt from one EC to another.  This borders on "Martingale Averaging", but not quite.

If I knew the exact rules, I would pay Nick $25 to write me a sheet.  (I have so many sheets now, I could hide under them when the wife calls!)

Sam

First of all, I prefer to play with 6 progressions.  This gives me lots of opportunities for wins on lines other than the one that I've had a bad run of luck on.  If, for instance my next bet on Black is 1, 3 on Red, 4 on odd, 1 on even, 7 on High and 2 on low.  Let's also say that I'm only -7 for this attack.  I have a few options.  I can stay the course and hope that I win the next time I bet Red and Odd.  Or I can reduce my bet on High to 4 and my bet on Red to 2.  Or just my bet on High to 3.  This reduces my chances of recovery with 1 or 2 wins, but it also keeps my bets lower if I go into a tailspin.

Another thing I do is if I have the above situation, I might add all my next bet amounts together and divide by 6 bringing everything down to a level playing field.  So, in the above example I have 1+3+4+1+7+2=19 divided by 6 = a 4 and five 3's.

I have discovered that it's rare to get more than 1 or at most 2 locations doing poorly at the same time.  Three quick wins get's me out of the hole, and a few quick losses isn't devastating.

I might add that I play around with bet switching rarely.  The most common thing I do is just drop my highest bet by 2 or 3 steps as long as I don't need all those wins to recover completely.  I never drop my bets so much that the sum of them is less than the amount I'm in the hole.  We can still pull out of the hole if we do because playing D'Alembert style, a bet of 4 has within it a sum of 10 units.  Remember it's really 4, then 3, then 2, then 1.

These are just a few ideas I've played around with.  The biggest asset is that it tends to hit more than the odds would dictate.  I get a lot of hits on the 1st bet after a 3 in a row trigger.  I know that after 3 in a row we still only have a 50% chance for the streak to continue as we do for it to end and then the zero gives the house it's cut. 

I can't explain it.  Five tests of one billion spins with a positive result, howbeit a small positive, is not expected mathematically.

Did Bosh make a mistake?  I don't know.  I hope not.

I will add that I personally have had equally good results as this with other systems that have tanked enough to send on to looking at another system.  So, I'm not saying this is "It".  Just that it's a decent system.

[boshkodj]

I am 99% that I am not wrong with tests.. If you're not sure, just play in fun mode and see your results..

I tested some others systems that members sent me via PM, and they failed, just one had some potential in it, but with huge losses..

[roulettefan]

@bosh
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i have made some manual test
it is stong
but what scare me it is the drawdon at your test 5
more than 1000chip

@ray
i have made also test with 50 000 spin
with your traker its really positive if there
is no error in the traker
it s really positive i test with sequence of 1000 spins
largest drawdown -109

-21+42+82+33+20+78+5+34+45+30+120-8+106+51+1-89
+8+42+148+52+27+16-15+21+47-15+13-109+55+43-31-42+71
+85+119+130+87+126+30+35-30+19+60+163+62+68-22-25+71

[Tomla021]

so by doing 6 progressions are you splitting red and black into two bets , same with high and low and also with even and odd because i like that idea

[GLC]

so by doing 6 progressions are you splitting red and black into two bets , same with high and low and also with even and odd because i like that idea

Yes!!

I've also been trying to figure out how to play this using my flat bet parlay system on all 6 bet locations.  Haven't quite got it figured out yet but initial attempts look promising.

[Tomla021]

im telling you this will work with little risk! i like splitting also because it lowers the bet amounts but can take longer.....how about play individually till down a bit then splitting and adding on to other bets?

[Tomla021]

glc i think you will get this? say red runs 10x which will happen of course you slow that 12345, progression and start adding 1 chip to the other 5?

[GLC]

I like both ideas, Tom.

You're the master when it comes to keeping bet sizes realistic. 

It's a lot easier to play a system with a 250 unit buy-in when you're testing it on betvoyager demo mode and it costs you nothing if it tanks.

I can imagine 250 units at $5 per unit could cause the pulse rate to increase a tad bit if you get down about 240 units.  That's why I keep coming back to the flat bet parlay method.  I know you can get pretty deep in the hole on a really bad run, but if you always start with a small bet you can opt out if it gets too deep for you galoshes.

[GLC]

Let's wait for a 3 in a row streak and then bet for a chop.  Since we had a 3 in a row streak, we should be due for 3 chops.  That means that we use a flat bet parlay of a 1 unit bet and 2 let it rides if we need them to reach a new high bank.  If we reach a new high on the base bet or the 1st let it ride, we don't need to play for the 2nd let it ride.  Do this on all 6 even chance bet locations and we have a pretty good chance to pull ahead 5 or so chips without putting too many chips at risk.

For more betting opportunities, we can play for a 3 in a row streak after a 3 in a row chop.

Example: If we get RRR we bet up to 3 times for RRRBRB

If we get RBRB we can bet up to 3 times for RBRBBBB

This should give us plenty of opportunities for bets so we're not languishing at the table waiting to make a bet.

We can always start with a 1 unit base bet or if we get too deep in the hole, we use a negative progression on the base bet and start with more units.

Test the last idea first since it's really a camouflaged negative progression and can get you in trouble if the win ratio gets too far out of balance.

[GLC]

Here's a possible progression for the last post.

The following is a chart you can use.  It's based on always starting with a 1 unit base bet:

If lose     1 win      2 win     3 win      result

-1              +1                                   +1
-2              +1                                     0
-3              +1                                    -1
-4              +1       +3                          0
-5              +1       +3                         -1
-6              +1       +3                         -2
-7              +1       +3          +7          +1
-8              +1       +3          +7            0
-9              +1       +3          +7           -1
-10            +1       +3          +7           -2

If I lose 10 times in a row, I move to a 2 unit base bet, another 10 in a row and I move to a 3 unit base bet, etc...

Otherwise, I just keep playing at the same base bet until I reach a new high bank.

[GLC]

I prefer the original method the best.

None of the tweaks improve on it.

The flatbet parlay may help a little, but it also complicates it.

Forget about playing steaks and chops, too confusing.

[GLC]

Hello Roulettiers,

here is my little excel tracker for GLC method.  Just add your numbers and see for yourself.
I have it the way that it starts betting after 3 EC 's in a row till a win, then starts again with 1.
The only thing I haven't done is the correction of the ZERO during betting....
Surely Nick could do this better , but meanwhile I think this could help
I'm sure Sam will find it interesting 

Should you find errors don't tell me  It would spoil the good results 

Have a great Day
Ray

Ray,  I forgot to thank you for this wonderful tracker.  It seems to work great.  I am thinking that there should be a better progression than my original one.  I've tried a few and they all seem to work, but which is the optimum is the question?

If you ever get the time, could you code the spreadsheet to move 1 step to the right on a loss and 1 to the left on a win just to see if it does any better.  And to see how deep of a draw down we get.

Thanks,

GLC

P.S.  I just went back through your spreadsheet by hand playing +1, -1 and I came up with a net win of more than +115 units.  That's not bad for 540 spins.  Basically .25 units per spin.  The largest draw down was -19 on an individual attack.  Since it started winning and reached +24 before any draw downs, it was always plus, never in the hole.

Was this just a fortunate series of spins?  Probably.  There's surely a worse and probably a much worse set of spins coming out way.  As we all know, you can't win every time you sit down at the table so a reasonable stop loss is a must with all these systems. 

Thanks for your help my friend.

[rayhd63]

Hey George,

no problem. I postetd the modified tracker in the wrong thread.
So have a look at this modified version.

Have fun

Ray

[roulettefan]

thank Ray

very good work on your traker
its wonderful
and seems to work good
with the little test i have already done

[rayhd63]

Hey,

I'm happy to help. This helps me keeping my brain busy......

Ray