Past numbers have *NOTHING* to do with future events?

[MrJ]

Yes, I know EACH spin is independant of each other, blah blah blah, I don't need the speach. My point being, the number of times you have read regarding past numbers meaning NOTHING. This misconception is usually from Advantage-play guys but there are sometimes others. In 37/38 spins, on average, there are 3 numbers with 3 hits on it. Sometimes 2 numbers, sometimes 4 numbers, whatever.

Lets say its the numbers 5, 17 and 34. I am looking for a YES or a NO to this question......try not to DRIFT from the question. Didn't those three numbers have to have two hits on them (within 37/38) BEFORE it had 3 hits? The number 5 is not going to magically jump from having ONE hit on it, then out of no where, it has 3 hits on it. My point being, if PAST numbers mean nothing, then HOW is it that we can gage that there will 2-4 numbers with 3 hits on them?

An example of a little contest we can have >> We'll track some numbers. Of course we know CHEATING may be involved with that, as usual. LoL When we have 25 numbers recorded, I will pick 3 numbers that I think will have 3 hits on it by 38 (or 37) spins. *BUT* I also get to pick ANY 3 numbers for you, you don't get to choose your numbers. At the end of 38 numbers, we'll see who has the most numbers with 3 hits.

Who knows, I might not have any. Also, we'll do this for 30 groups of 38 numbers. At the end of the 30 groups, according to the slide ruler guys, it should be roughly 15/15. Maybe not exact but it should be close. Why? Because "the ball has no memory. All numbers are independant from one another, PAST NUMBERS MEAN NOTHING". Ken

[ThomasGrant]

Good point Ken/Mr_J

Here is a point of view.
Two guys decide to go to the casino.
They both live in the same state.
Same street.
They are both good friends.
They are both going to use the EXACT same system.
Jim(Player 1) gets to the casino first.
He starts playing at the roulette table.
He has racked up about 40 spins on the roulette table.
Dave is very, very late.
Got held up in traffic.
Dave sits at the same table.
Starts playing the EXACT same system as Jim.
But at a different time.
Jim as you recall has 40+ spins up.
And notices that Low Dozens have not turned up for 12 spins.
Dave with only a few spins up.
Sees that Low Dozens have not turned up for 2 spins.
According to their system.
(Remember they are both playing the same system.)
At 12 misses of a dozen. The system says bet.
So Jim starts betting on Low Dozens.
Dave does not.
Even though they are friends.
And are sitting at the same table.
And are playing the EXACT same system.
Since Jim started before Dave.
Jim has a history he is basing his bets on.
Where as Dave is building up his history.
They both play for 2 hours.
Jim finishes first.
And goes to the bar.
Waits for Dave.
Dave, some 50 minutes later. Finishes.
Both have done well today.
The system they used worked well.
They talk.
Jim asks, why so late?
Traffic... says Dave.

I know previous numbers have no relevance to current numbers.
But all the systems I have seen. All the software I have.
Are all based on what has not happened.

As yet, there is no forward thinking software.
Like they have in the stock market.
I am referring to Fibonacci.
The only element in trading that looks forward.

Be interesting to see if someone could come up with Fib for Roulette.

So, as for previous numbers.
I have won with progressions.
On waiting for x.

Some others have as well.
Flat betting is the same.

Still waiting for something not to occur.
Or to occur. Say, 7,11,14,21, and 30 have appeared on a regular basis.
Flat betting depending on the system you have.
Would have you bet on some of those numbers.
Not saying that flat betting isn't any good.
Just saying that it can loose just as well as any system can.
Because of RNG. Or random numbers.
Even on a live wheel.

Just my thoughts.

[MrJ]

Great post TG! Keep in mind, this thread has nothing to do with a method in any way. I made one mistake. I should of asked the nay sayers (a week ago).....hey guys, is there ANY situation you can think of, where I have an advantage picking 3 numbers? MOST of the answers would of been the same.

No Ken, the ball has no memory etc. etc. I instead change up the question and now all of a sudden, there is a situation (or two) that past numbers are NOW helpful. WTF? lol How many methods have I posted in the past that I got slammed for even mentioning, tracking and looking at past events? Lots, is the answer. You see, past numbers, in a sense are helpful with future outcomes. People can not have it both ways.  Ken

[ThomasGrant]

Great post TG! Keep in mind, this thread has nothing to do with a method in any way. I made one mistake. I should of asked the nay sayers (a week ago).....hey guys, is there ANY situation you can think of, where I have an advantage picking 3 numbers? MOST of the answers would of been the same.

No Ken, the ball has no memory etc. etc. I instead change up the question and now all of a sudden, there is a situation (or two) that past numbers are NOW helpful. WTF? LoL How many methods have I posted in the past that I got slammed for even mentioning, tracking and looking at past events? Lots, is the answer. You see, past numbers, in a sense are helpful with future outcomes. People can not have it both ways.  Ken

I don't think you will have that problem here Ken.
Any method that you have.
Would be appreciated.
Any system, concept or ideas.
Would also be appreciated.

Note: My story has a happy ending.
This is not always the case.
But I have heard that those that stick to a system.
No matter what one it is.
Do a great deal better than those that just randomly place bets all over the place.
To see this in action.
Go visit Dublin Bet.

As soon as I have the funds.
I will do something with Dublin Bet.
And post a video.

[MrJ]

People think I am arguing and I am not. If someone says that past numbers mean NOTHING for future events, that cool with me BUT they can NOT have exceptions. Its either 100% your view or 100% not your view. They cant have both. Ken

[ThomasGrant]

People think I am arguing and I am not. If someone says that past numbers mean NOTHING for future events, that cool with me BUT they can NOT have exceptions. Its either 100% your view or 100% not your view. They can't have both. Ken

ROFL...

Ken...
Not sure who said you were arguing.
You have your point of view.
And some members will appreciate it.
And some members wont.
It's just the way it is.
I get flac on my posts from time to time.
Or at least I use to at VLS.
In here.
I got full control.

You have very little to fear in here Ken.
If you have something to say.
Then say it.
Your the mod of your own posts.
You can delete posts that you don't like.

If you wish.
You could, have your very own section.
Where you can rant and rave all you like.
Not saying that you rant and rave.
But if you wanted to express your opinion.
In the safety of your very own section.
Then just ask Victor to set one up for you.

The more diverse opinions we have.
The more ideas we have on Roulette.
The greater our chances of finding something that will beat it.
Or at least make more than we lose.

Just my opinion.

[MrJ]

No, no sorry. I dont mean arguing here. I meant at VLS and the Wizards site. Ken

[Bayes]

Ken, is there a forum at the Wizard's site? I couldn't see one.

[Bayes]

Ken, I assume you're talking about Advantage Players. Yes, the system player and Advantage-player may both look at past spins as a basis on which to make future bets, but the difference is in the conclusions they may come to, and whether those conclusions are valid in each case.

Both look at the stats, but the system player may come to a conclusion which isn't warranted by the evidence. Usually, an Advantage-play will take into account other evidence apart from the statistics. For example, if you happen to notice that a number is hitting more often than it should do (outside the "normal" standard deviations), then this is evidence that the wheel MAY have a bias. If you then observe that the neighbours of that number also have more hits than average, this gives additional weight to the theory. Or you may observe that the cone in that area (above that number) is slightly warped.

The problem is that the die-hard "math guys" also assert that a number could hit 20 times in a row (because spins are independent), or that red could hit 100 times in a row, but at the same time they would see this as evidence of bias!

So you really need to take into account factors other than pure statistics - what would account for the stats being what they are? I think that's the reason why APs say that all system players are betting on fallacies.

[MrJ]

I just got back from the casino.....12 hours! I have around 30 posts to respond to but....I'm going to bed!  Ken

[MrJ]

"I assume you're talking about Advantage Players" >>> Not at all Bayes. It was a question (the beginning of this thread) in regards to 'are past numbers useless'?  Ken

[MrJ]

I'm making one (copy/paste) statement so I dont have to re-do it on the other 7 boards. lol Yes, I do think that past numbers CAN assist us in future betting. All of us may not have the same definition of 'future'. It could mean 3 spins later or maybe 200 spins later, I dont know. Anyways, a person can not have BOTH of these views. If you think you do, let me know.


A) Past numbers mean NOTHING, they are of NO USE. Even those first 25 spins like I mentioned for the challenge. The past means NOTHING !!

B) It is an unfair challenge Ken. After those first 25 spins, I pick MY 3 numbers for 13 spins (2 hits on them) and I pick YOUR 3 numbers (0 hits on them) for 13 spins (flat betting). A trial of 30 times, 38 numbers per.

(Sidenote: I am not talking about any form of a bias wheel, cough)

You can pick either 'A' or 'B'..... Not both and not 'C'. Sorry if this bothers some people, I won't lose sleep over it. My point of all this? I have posted that answer but I'll do it again. Many, many posters have bickered and complained regarding using past numbers. Thats cool with me, I have ZERO issue with that unless.....you ALSO choose 'B'. At least I stay consistent, I dont change my answer after viewing OTHER answers first, just so I fit in with the crew.

At least I have the balls to post something, knowing AHEAD OF TIME, will get sour posts in return. Lets be honest, are there some posters that feel there are different versions of 'past numbers'? If so, do tell. Would someone say, those first 25 spins are NOT part of the 'past' but maybe 150 spins ago, that is the 'past'? Just curious. Ken

[albalaha]

Dear Ken,
              Past spins matters a lot to me. The very first successful method that I devised was based upon the past spins. My theory of "Law of uneven distribution" says that within a short period of say 50 or 100 spins, all 37 numbers may not appear and even all appear( practically I have never seen yet on live wheels)but all numbers would not turn out equally and evenly. Some numbers will remain sleepers and some will hit as much as 6-7 times. while many numbers will come twice or thrice, many numbers will appear only once. This practicality helped me devise a great system and I learned how to get ahead of the game in long run. I know, ball has no eyes and memory and that is exactly why ball can not always find slots where it should have gone as per the law of averages and hits some numbers more than others. However, a biased RNG can create this type of situation where every number/dozen/column/EC appear equally.

[MrJ]

In terms of other sites. I am amazed how posters will either NOT answer this question or go back and fourth on the fence. Its like some dont want their NAME attached to the answer, just in case. But in case of what? lol Thank you Albalaha for your answer. I will jot you down as a 'B' answer.  Ken

[MrJ]

  I do have an announcement >>> This thread question by FAR, is one of the best I have ever come up with and there have been many. I have a bunch of As, a bunch of Bs, a couple who think they can have both and MANY that will not attach their name to an answer for whatever reason (multiple message boards)  Ken