Let's find HG, yeah, for sure

[MrJ]

A) Bet selection and for what REASON am I (we) choosing our numbers?

B) The most important reason (imo) for choosing only a couple numbers....... Peaks & Valleys during your play. I have found over the years that there is PLENTY of room for a "come back" (call it what you will) when you are down. Playing only a couple numbers gives you that opportunity.

I have seen this lots of times from other players >>> they play 20 numbers every spin. At first they are doing ok. But wait.....they get on a bad streak and lose 12 of the next 17 spins. They are now in some deep s**t, they have to CLIMB back out. There is little wiggle room until their BR runs out. With only a couple numbers played, you'll have the time AND the BR (at least you should have) to climb back out. Keep in mind guys, this is my viewpoint.

Ken

[iggiv]

i don't want to be responsible for other people's money, sorry.

[Turner]

Skakus....sounds like what I'm messing with right now. Track last 6. If 5,7 shows...play 5,6,7....or 22,22....
play21,22,23, or 35,36 shows play 34,35,36....or 35, 36, 0...depends if 4 has shown or 31 or similar.
Take off when any that qualified during the last 6 when they fall off.
Bet selection can be  3u...3u....3u...6u...3u...6 u..9u...6 u...6 u....3 u...3u...0u...0u..3u....
These babies can hit.
Double your bet if you double your win goal

Random numbers definately jump back to the same place...for certain....as you put it...hot numbers pull others along with them.

[teo]

I cannot play with less than 9 numbers that's it. The wheel is 37 numbers. How in hell can you predict that the ball will land on 1-3 numbers? Pure nonsense, and yet the "professional players" go with 1-3 numbers. Doesn't make any sense at all. I can't figure that

You know something else? Why do live casinos have a short time limit for each bet?

So you can't place so many numbers............go figure

--It seems you aren't figuring it/probably cause you never tried /in 1 min.a pro player can place,
and play several methods consequently at the same time...let alone on the full table, when sometimes takes
  a dealer few min.to place all bettors chips.

[boshkodj]

yes, sure.

what you have to do is this

1) not to look for any holy grail b/s. they don't exist. forget about them. consider roulette unbeatable on a long run and don't even try to beat it on a long run testing thousands of spins
2) watch the behaviour of roulette, wheel, numbers on it,  ball etc.
3) work with thousands of spins, analyze them, but don't try to bet on each of them!!! for God's sake
4) look where PROBABLY roulette can give u some trends, some temp patterns. Temporary! Not consistent.
5) place your bets for a few spins and get the hell out of there! Don't get involved in longer game. If u see u r losing, that's it, don't try to win it back, you will likely lose more. If u win some, don't be greedy, leave the wheel.
don't try to eat the cake which is too big for your mouth.
6) If you come back one time after lets say 20 spins you may still try your luck and repeat the procedure. But then leave for much longer time. Maybe for 100 spins or so. Don't try to push your luck every hundred spins or every 50 spins. It's gonna be like a long run forming already which is not good. Your game is like attacking SOMETIMES but not periodically.
7) let the time go after. Don't rush into the casino back again too soon thinking you caught your luck. It may be a day or two or a week if your win was good enough. Don't be too greedy.

If you are not winning in the long run, don't tell it's imbossible.. People who say it can't be done, should not disturb those who are doing it.

[teo]

 should not disturb those who are doing it.
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Doing what???Having and playing HG??----------There is not such thing

[boshkodj]

I wrote "winning in the long run", not playing "holy grail".. 

[MrJ]

I knew I left something out......another good reason >> Lets say you have a dealer who thinks he/she is slick and wants to get the ball spun fast, to upset you or slow down your wins, throw your method off, whatever the case may be. When betting only a few numbers, lets see them pull their bulls**t then.


They can't and they know it. They now have to play YOUR game, you are no longer playing THEIR game.

Ken

[iggiv]

you start to be rude, buddy. Don't forget you are new here. Please learn to tolerate other people opinions. don't try to shut up someone who gives u another opinion. And if i see that u keep doing it i will react stronger than just giving u this almost friendly reminder.

That's why i don't like to give here info too much. You try to help and people are just being rude in return.


what u r trying  to do now brought many people to being broke and even committing suicide after. Well, good luck with your long run winning by using progression.

If you are not winning in the long run, don't tell it's imbossible.. People who say it can't be done, should not disturb those who are doing it.

[winkel]

Doing what???Having and playing holy grail??----------There is not such thing

the problem is
1) What is a "Holy Grail"? (in roulette terms)
2) Could it be used by anyone or only by "selected" (I didn´t want to say by intelligent and not intelligent)
3) Has it to be simple or could it be hard to understand and harder to learn?
4) Should it be some kind of a perpetual (create itself from itself) or should there also be personal Intelligence influenced?
5) Would you see that there is a Holy Grail, when there is one in front of you?

All the people who are asking for having it presented for free, with no work or learning or engagement or own money to play, will never find a holy grail, perhaps the Martingale.

There is HG, but nobody sees it. Because they are looking for something that relates to their fantasy and brings them wealth with no work. It´s more simple than you can imagine.

br
winkel

[boshkodj]

I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 loosing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never loose 

[biagle]

I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 losing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never lose 

you forgot table limit

[RouletteMaster]

I don't want to harm anyone, I just tell that holy grail could be any system with appropriate BR.. If one dozen can sleep maximum for example 40 spins ( maybe less, maybe more I didn't test it ), you just need to make progression for 41 losing spin, and get required budget for it, and you will never lose 

YOUR APPROACH IS WRONG. Your strategy is to test for x number of losses and a progression that can handle x number of losses -  that kind of strategy for testing can help only if you are able to design a progression that can get you in + anytime you get a win. only way that can happen is a martingale type of strategy and you should know how tough it can get after a few losses.  the right approach for a progression â€" we need to know we want to be in + after x number of spins/we have to test all possible LW permutations and combinations within those x number of spins with that progression/x number of  spins can be guided by the number of times a selected bet selection can fail as you suggested. see the example of an ec/ec can sleep for 22 spins/the possible lw combinations for 22 spins is 4,194,304. To test this much combinations you need 92,274,688 spins. It is under 1bn, but your spin sequence has to cover all these number of spins â€" mind this is just ec and imagine how complex it can get for dozens and so on. DO YOU THINK IT IS POSSIBLE AND YOU CAN TEST THIS WAY â€" this is the only way to give you the holy grail using your approach of progression and there is no other way. the other approach is forget progression/accept you cannot beat house edge on long run and proceed as professor winkel is suggesting â€" you don’t need to test billions of combinations. Combine a 2-3 ways of playing â€" avoid using a static method â€" and take the game head on short runs â€" you have your grail which will win long term.

[boshkodj]

you forgot table limit

well, on BV the table limit is pretty high, and there are some "no table limit" real wheels, in las vegas casinos for example..

[ddarko]

well, on BV the table limit is pretty high, and there are some "no table limit" real wheels, in las vegas casinos for example..

Would you be kind enough to post some links for these LV casino's with the "no table limit" please