A new bet method?

[GLC]

Here's a new method I've been thinking about.

We have as many different bet lines as needed.

We have a bet line for the 1st bet we make.
We have a bet line for the 2nd bet we make if we lost the 1st bet.
We have a bet line for the 3rd bet we make if we lost the 1st and 2nd bets.
We have a bet line for the 4th bet we make if we lost the 1st, 2nd and 3rd bets.
Etc... ad infinitum.

You can use any progression for the bet lines that you like.  I like to use the Penthouse type for even chance bets.
1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 7 7 8 8 etc...  Move 1 step to the right on a loss.  On a win you circle the bet you just won on and cross off the number to the left of it, then bet the number to the left of the crossed-off number.  Continue in this manner until you reach +1 then start over.

Remember, we have a separate bet line for each lost bets.  We have a bet line for 1st lost bets.  We have a bet line for 2nd lost bets.  We have a bet line for 3rd lost bets.  We have a bet line for 4th lost bets.

Each line makes up a mini-game all by itself.  Of course each bet starts with a 1 unit bet.  If you lose that bet, you move to the 2nd bet line and bet 1 unit.  If you lose that bet you move to the 3rd bet line and bet 1 unit.  If you lose that bet, you move to the 4th bet line and bet 1 unit.  Let's say we lost the 1st 3 bets and won on the 4th bet.  After each win, you always start back on the 1st bet line.  In this case it will bet the 2nd 1 because we follow our Penthouse line of 1 1 2 2 3 3 etc....  If we lose, we also bet the 2nd 1 on the 2nd bet line for the same reason.  If we lose again we bet the 2nd 1 on the 3rd bet line.  Now, since we won on the 4th bet line, we will be betting the 1st 1 on the 4th bet line.

Continue playing in this manner until you reach a new high bank then reset everything to 1's.

A safety brake you can use is if one of the bet lines is getting into large bets, you can distribute those some of the units from that line onto other lines that have been hitting better.

Comments and observations are welcome.  A few criticisms are Okay.  Just don't overdo it, please.

GLC

[Tomla021]

I have thought along the same lines---when hot cross off earlier losses,,,

[Turner]

George

well..seeing as you asked, I have a question.

I dont know what you mean...bet line?

1st bet line, second bet line...?

At the risk of sounding st,upid....actually, i dont understand any of it.

Turner

[GLC]

George

well..seeing as you asked, I have a question.

I don't know what you mean...bet line?

1st bet line, second bet line...?

At the risk of sounding st,upid....actually, i don't understand any of it.

Turner

Okay my friend, let's say we're betting Red.  I will splain using +1-1 since it's less confusing.  Bet line = 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 etc...

The bet lines correspond to the number of losses in a row after a Win or (if I just start playing, of course, since I can't have won or loss until I make a 1st bet).

My first bet after a win is from the first bet line.

If I lose the 1st bet after a Win, then I have to make a bet from the 2nd bet line.  We always bet from the 2nd bet line after 1 loss.

If I lose the 1st and 2nd bet after a Win, then I have to make a bet from the 3rd bet line.  We always bet from the 3rd bet line after 2 losses in a row.

Let's say I walk up to the table and start betting and get the following  results:  LLLWLLWLLLLWWW:  I will bet from the following bet lines and in this order: 1  2  3  4  1  2  3  1  2  3  4  5  1  1  1  (This last 1 bet we don't know if we won or lost.)

L = 1st bet in 1st bet line = -1
 
L = 1st bet in 2nd bet line = -1

L = 1st bet in 3rd bet line = -1

W = 1st bet in 4th bet line = +1

L = This is the 1st bet after a Win so I'm betting from the 1st bet line.  I lost the 1st bet from the 1st bet line so now I must make the  2nd bet from the 1st bet line which is 2 units.  It's a loss so -2.

L =  2nd bet from 2nd bet line is also 2.  It's a loss so -2.

W = 2nd bet from the 3rd bet line is 2 and this is a Win, so +2.  I lost the 1st bet of 1 in the 3rd bet line so now I win 2 units and +2-1=+1.  So, I'm +1 in the 3rd bet line.

L = 1st bet after a win so we're back to the 1st bet line.  We've lost 2 times in a row this 1st bet after a Win.  We now bet 3 units and this is the 3rd time in a row we've lost betting the 1st time after a Win.  So our results from betting the 1st time after a Win is -1-2-3=-6 units for the 1st bet line.

L =  This is the 3rd loss in a row when betting 2 times after a Win.  So same as above -1-2-3=-6 for the 2nd bet line.

L =  This is the a bet from the 3rd bet line.  The last time I bet from the 3rd bet line I won so now I'm betting 1 unit and I lose so -1 in the 3rd bet line.

L =  The last time we had to bet 4 times after a Win we won so we start over at 1 unit in our 4th bet line.  +1
.
W = This is the first time we have had to bet from the 5th bet line.  So we're betting 1 unit and we win.  +1.

W =  This is the 4th time we've bet from the 1st bet line and we've lost the other 3 so we're betting 4 units and we win. -1-2-3+4=-2.  The next time we bet after 1 win will be from the 1st bet line and our bet will be 3 units because we just won our 4 unit bet and we subtract 1 on a win so our next bet from the 1st bet line will be 3 units.

W = This is the 1st bet after a win so we again bet from the 1st bet line.  We won the 4 unit bet and are now betting 3 units and we win again so -1-2-3+4+3=+1.  We are now +1 from our 1st bet line and can reset it to 1 unit for the next time we will bet from the 1st bet line which will be the next bet because we just had a Win.

I'm sorry that I don't know how to explain this more simply.  Here's a summary.
If we get WL  After a win we always bet from the 1st bet line.  In this case we lose the 1st bet from the 1st bet line.
If we get WWL  After a win we always bet from the 1st bet line.  In this case we have to bet from the 1st bet line twice because we won twice and we always bet from the 1st bet line after a Win.
If we get WLL  After a win we always bet from the 1st bet line and after 1 loss we always bet from the 2nd bet line.
If we get WLLL  After win we always bet from the 1st bet line and after 1 loss we always bet from the 2nd bet line and after 2 losses we always bet from the 3rd bet line.
If we get WLLLL  We will have bet and lost from the 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th bet lines.  That's because the above are true and also we always bet from the 4th bet line after 3 losses in a row.

A bet line represents the number of losses in a row.  If we have 6 losses in a row we will have bet from bet lines 1 and 2 and 3 and 4 and 5 and 6.

Every time we win, we will bet from the 1st bet line.

It will be rare to ever bet from the 10th bet line and it will be very rare to ever have to bet from the 15th bet line.  Why?  Because we have to lose 14 times in a row to ever bring the 15th bet line into play.

If we have WLLLWWWL  We will bet from the following bet lines in this order:  ?, 1, 2, 3, 4, 1, 1, 1, 2 in that order.  Why?  We start with a ? because we don't know which bet line we were betting from on the 1st Win.  After the 1st win we know that we are betting from the 1st bet line.  After the 1st loss we know we are betting from the 2nd bet line.  After the 2nd loss in a row we know we are betting from the 3rd bet line.  After 3 losses in a row we know we are betting from the 4th bet line.  After a Win we know we are betting from the 1st bet line.  After a Win we know we are betting from the 1st bet line.  After a win we know we are betting from the 1st bet line.  After a loss we know we are betting from the 2nd bet line.

Okay, now I'm confused.

[Tomla021]

Im so proud of myself I understand this one lol

[Turner]

George...you are a star. Thanks....that took a lot of your time. You may of noticed i havnt said i get it yet...but i treated myself to a bottle of wine and have spent 4 hours testing an idea so Im not sure i could tell you where i live right now. Will read again tomorrow
Thanks again
Turner

[Chrisbis]

Near Manchester Trev....................near to Manchester.
Hope that helps. 

[Chrisbis]

@George.

Can we get a practical example please?
Heavy on the meat, little mayo, touch of pickle, smattering of mustard, add a shake of black pepper.
Then I can follow you.
Cheers.

9BTW.did you know your still blocking all PM's to your good self? 

[GLC]

@George.

Can we get a practical example please?
Heavy on the meat, little mayo, touch of pickle, smattering of mustard, add a shake of black pepper.
Then I can follow you.
Cheers.

9BTW.did you know your still blocking all PM's to your good self? 

Alright guys.  I'll give a short example a little later.  Once you see what I'm suggesting, you'll feel bad about making me spend more than the hour per week I have available for the forum nowadays.

[GLC]

I changed my mind.  I played a session to +2 and it took 74 bets to reach +2.  I won 34 and lost 40.  Given almost any other bet progression method, I would have won much more than 2 units, so I'm putting the nix on this idea.

[Tomla021]

That's a normal bad bet spread,, you kept the bets low,,,,,, perfect!!!!!

[Tomla021]

In general when down you  ride it out slow,, it becomes an art

[GLC]

I'm not saying it's worthless, just not what I thought it might be.  Since more than half the spins are bet from the 1st bet line, the number of 2 or more Wins in a row are important to make it work right.  The 4 and high bet  lines see little action.

I still like my strategy where I flat bet 1 unit until I lose 3 times in a row and then I risk 2, 3 or 4 units that I won't lose 4 times in a row.  I've noticed that it's not very common to lose 4 times in a row.  I know the math says that you will actually lose a little more often than you win on a 4th loss in a row, but so far luck has been on my side. 

I could move to only risking a larger bet after 4 losses in a row.  It will give me fewer large bets, but I don't think it makes the method any better, just slower.

If such a thing exists, a bet selection method that tends to win 2 or more times in a row is what we need.

[GLC]

In general when down you  ride it out slow,, it becomes an art

That might be easy for someone who's a culinary artist but for us non-artsy folks, not so easy. :LoL:

[vladir]

I just seen this. I think I get it...

You said:

If such a thing exists, a bet selection method that tends to win 2 or more times in a row is what we need.

Indeed, that probably does not exist, but there may be another option...

I assume you are betting the same progression for each line correct? I'm not sure how (and if) it would be a good way to do it, but why not different progressions for each line ? The further down, the more aggressive it could be. When in plus, reset everything.
Just an example (this mygth be too aggressive too early):

1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 ...

1 1 2 2 3 3 4 4 5 5 6 6 ...

2 2 4 4 6 6 8 8 10 10 12 12 ...

3 3 6 6 9 9 12 12 15 15 18 18 ...

4 4 8 8 12 12 16 16 20 20 24 24...

In other word's, I was suggesting a progression for the progressions (I hope you get it ).

Could something like this work?

Cheers