A simple system that works

[cheEsteban]

Has anyone done any further tests on this? Does anyone have any experience with variance tracking the straight count of EC ( R vs B for example) and the singles/series?

Thanks to GLC and Ego for further explanations of this method. I think i have finally understood it and will try to make a tracker version of it (for the phone).

Cheers everyone !

[GLC]

Has anyone done any further tests on this? Does anyone have any experience with variance tracking the straight count of EC ( R vs B for example) and the singles/series?

Thanks to GLC and Ego for further explanations of this method. I think i have finally understood it and will try to make a tracker version of it (for the phone).

Cheers everyone !

CheEsteban,  Here's a take on this system that WallyGator and I have been talking about via PMs.  It's an even chance system that bets against the 4 options that start with a Red coming in a row with no repeats, or the 4 options that start with Black coming in a row with no repeats.

As with Ego's explanation, we chart in sets of 3s.  The first spin determines whether we're dealing with the Red 4 set group or the Black 4 set group.

The 1st 3 spins just become the first set in our group.

RRR  Nothing to do but track these 3.  Starting with these 3 spins we don't want to get all 4 unique sets without a repeat.  A loss would look   like this: RRR - RRB - RBR - RBB.  A win would look like this:  RRR - RRB - RR.  That red R was a win because it needed to be a B to be a unique set.

RRR
RRX   Here's the first chance to block a unique set.  We'd bet R to block B. 

RRR
RRB
RX     Here's the 2nd chance to block a possible unique set.  We'd bet R to block a B.

RRR
RRB
RBNB   No bet here because either R or B would make a unique set.

RRR
RRB
RBR
RX     A 3rd chance to block so we bet R to block a B.

RRR
RRB
RBR
RBX   Our 4th and last chance to block.  Bet R to block a B.

You'll see that we have a 3 possible bet sequence and a 4 possible bet sequence.  The above is an example of our 4 bet option.

Now I'll present the 3 bet possibility.

RBR
RRB
RRX  This is our 1st chance to block a unique set.  Bet B to block an R

RBR
RRB
RRR
RX    This is our 2nd chance to block.  Bet R to block a B

RBR
RRB
RRR
RBX   Here's our 3rd and final chance to block a unique set.  Bet R to Block a B.

Please note that if the middle spin in the 2nd row matches the middle spin in the 1st row, you will have 4 opportunities to bet.

If the middle spin in the 2nd row is opposite the middle spin in the 1st row, you will only have 3 opportunities to bet.

I think we should have 2 progression lines if using a progression.  One for the 4 bet opportunities and one for the 3 bet opportunities.

I suggest playing with a flat bet but, due to the nature of the system, and as much as I hate to suggest it, I think using a 3 step capped martingale and a 4 step capped martingale with the following penthouse lines makes sense.

For the 3 step marty, I would use this line:  11111112222222333333344444445555555 etc...  Every time I lose I move 7 numbers to the right and every time I win, I move 1 number to the left.

The 4 step marty penthouse line looks like this,  111111111111111222222222222222333333333333333444444444444444555555555555555 etc... we'd move 15 numbers to the right on a loss and move 1 number to the left on a win.

Remember, we move back and forth between the Red block of 4 sets and the Black block of 4 sets depending on what the 1st color of our 3 spin set is.

I have been using the above lines in limited testing with good results.  I don't know if it's any better than previous matrix type systems, but I do know that it's not worse.

All questions and tweak suggestions are very welcome.


George

[Colbster]

As always, your way of thinking is flawless, George!  I just ran 226 spins using the Foolproof progression variation that has been widely discussed on the Supa Dupa topic recently.  It performed exceptionally well, tripling my initial bank plus a couple for the dealer.  I think going forward, I would reset as each color nets a new high bankroll, just to keep the bets down a bit lower for when the rough stretch shows up to test our resolve.  You are the best!

[SamNL]

Hi Colbster, what is the initial BR u used

[Turner]

George....Long time no speak....

I love your stuff.

As for the basic structure of the Unique set blocking idea, do you continuously track back, or watch 7 to see where you are each time

So....tracking back OR fresh run after each W/L

[Colbster]

Hi Colbster, what is the initial BR u used

25 units.  Never threatened to go negative beyond 1 unit, although I did draw down back near my initial bank once the bets got higher.  Missed lots of zeros as there are many bets that you are not in.  Very safe feeling, even when it was going against me.  Might tighten the target, like I mentioned.  Strong bet selection method though.

[Colbster]

As for the basic structure of the Unique set blocking idea, do you continuously track back, or watch 7 to see where you are each time

So....tracking back OR fresh run after each W/L

My way of playing was as soon as I got a repeat, I deleted all my prior tracking from the first instance back.  This meant that I never had more than 3 lines finished.  The couple times I got all 4 unique sets, I deleted all 4 and started with a fresh tracking set.

[GLC]

My way of playing was as soon as I got a repeat, I deleted all my prior tracking from the first instance back.  This meant that I never had more than 3 lines finished.  The couple times I got all 4 unique sets, I deleted all 4 and started with a fresh tracking set.

This is the way I play it also.  I like the relaxed pace of this way of tracking.  It's easy to calculate the next bet and I never feel pushed to get my chips on the table.  You have to stay focused though.  With a little extra time between bets, it's easy to get distracted.  Remember how Flatino told us that when he was playing roulette, the other players thought he was deaf and mute.  No talking to other players while you're at the table.  They only know you can hear and speak when you're on your way to the cashier to cash in your winnings.

That Flatino.  He's quite a character.

[GLC]

The foolproof progression can be a scary progression.  I have posted a couple of variations of it called "The Forced Win Progression".  You need a pretty hefty bankroll at times. 

I'm not sure what variation of it you're talking about, but I've been preoccupied with other things lately and haven't read all the topics/posts. 

I use the capped marty because I feel that we're betting that 4 unique triples won't hit before one of them repeats.  So, the 3 bet or the 4 bet possibilities are a package.  I have to get the 4 unique sets without a repeat before I've lost that attack. 

Not saying that treating each bet independently won't work.  Evidently it does.  But I like the idea of having to lose all 3 or all 4 bets before I've lost the attack.  Just my way of looking at it.

GLC

[SamNL]

Am going to give the latest of GLC a test on Baccarat today.

I have an Excel sheet from Normy2000 that am using for the progression.
I haved used his spreadsheet before and I like it.

I will report how it goes.

[GLC]

Am going to give the latest of GLC a test on Baccarat today.

I have an Excel sheet from Normy2000 that am using for the progression.
I haved used his spreadsheet before and I like it.

I will report how it goes.

Good luck my friend!  I hope the ball is bouncing your way.

GLC

[cheEsteban]

Hey SamNL,

It sounds like baccarat would be also a great way to try this method. Have you had any success with it?

I started working on coding it to my tracker this weekend but have been hitting some snags. I hope i can find an elegant solution to the algorithm soon.

Anyone else try it with roulette? With any other even chance bets?

[Davidchow]

Over the last few days, I have played a system inspired by the method beretta28 has illustrated in the first message of this thread and by a follow up method he posted on another forum (link below).
link:s://:.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=87.0

I play the 3 even chances R/B, E/O, H/L simultaneously and to my surprise they all show a benefit after 226 games; in this case, a game is a capped Marty 1, 2, 4 applied to each even chance, which means I have played 226*3 mini games in total. Simple luck? We'll see.

[Davidchow]

Since I have received private messages asking me what method I play, I will explain it.
But first I have to say that I have met a run of hell (as expected) in which all 3 EC had losses at the same time and rendering the recouping very difficult.

I was recording the dominant EC in 7 spins, then played it using a 3 steps marty 1,2,4. I was playing 3 ECs at the same time.

[Kavenskas]

Can you give more details on your totals? What were the unit earnings before the run of hell?
How bad of the run was your last one?

In hindsight, maybe there's an implementation of STOP possible in order to not burn your bank and come back later to jump the winning train again.

Knowing when not to tilt and call it a stop is the hardest thing once you establish a betting pattern which brings you profits. I do have one of my own but being up 14-15 units, then going down to 3-4, just to get up back to 17-18 and then go down to 7-8 is really tilting and keeping a cool head is hard