Rolling Dozens/Columns

[GLC]

We will be betting on a single dozen or column.
We will bet on the dozen that hit farthest back.
We will bet on that dozen until it hits, but a maximum of 4 times.
Our progression is 1-1-2-3 stop.
If our dozen doesn't hit within the 4 bets, we either track until it hits and then bet on the new farthest back dozen or we can play the following options.

Options:
If our dozen doesn't hit within 4 bets we stop betting on it until it hits or we wait 2 spins.
If it doesn't hit on either the 5th or 6th spin, we will bet on it again for 4 spins.
Our progression for betting the 7th-10th spins will be 2-2-4-6 stop.
If our dozen doesn't hit in the 7 thru 10 spins, we will wait for 3 spins.
If it doesn't hit in these 3 spins, it means it hasn't hit for 13 spins and we will bet on it again.
Our progression for betting on the 14th thru 17th spins is 4-4-8-12.
You can continue this progression until you either get a win or a hit between betting spins.
A hit on 2-2-4-6 or 4-4-8-12 or in between betting spins, automatically sends us back to the 1-1-2-3 level.
(The above can start at a level higher than 1-1-2-3 in which case all my numbers will need to be adjusted accordingly.)


Levels:

We play for 5 sets of 1-1-2-3 in each level.
We don't start a level until we have a loss of 1-1-2-3.
So each level will start with a loss of 7 units.
A win on any of the 4 bets will count as 1 set and a loss of all 4 bets counts as 1 set.
Any time we get back to a profit, we reset to 1-1-2-3.  All wins before a loss that causes us to start the level increase our profits.  Wins that occur after a loss and before the end of the 5th set in a level off-set losses in that level.
If we end a level of 5 sets below our high bank amount, we divide that deficit amount by 5 to determine our 4 bet progression for the next level.

A deficit of 12 results in 12 divided by 5 = 2.4.  Always round up.  So our next level will be 3-3-6-9.

Remember we never start a level on a win.  All wins before a level starts go into profits, and any time we are at a new high bank, we reset back to 1-1-2-3.

I know there's at least one person out there who will test this and be the lucky member.

Maybe it'll be you.

GLC

[beretta28]

I'm sorry GLC,but your system is very dangerous.
Already tested in the past....
First of all I hope that someone that has been studying roulette since several years, like you, has  concluded that the bet selection and the trigger don't exist.
For sure in the short or middle term,maybe,I said maybe, in the long term,but you can't exploit them.
I know that a lot of novice players have opposite idea.
The only way is a progression that minimise the risk of losing all bkr.
Your progression is not ridiculous at all,but it's not resistant enough.
A few hundred spins,in average,are sufficient to make such conclusion.
What I mention above are the common conclusions of all very experienced roulette players,even professional players(very rare at roulette).
Just to be more precise,at my knowledge,professional players play only straight numbers.
They have a very small advantage compared with other bets,but also a higher risk of losing a lot of money.
If you don't know yet the following book:....Edward Packel-Mathematics of gambling.....,please read it and you'll give up a lot of useless systems and progressions  and you'll concentrate your efforts  only on a few ways for fighting against roulette ,that in any case is stronger than us.

[Kingspin]

Yes it's a looser for sure as are all the dozen bets. 

[GLC]

Thanks for your observations, guys, but they're entirely unnecessary.  They are only stating the obvious that we all are fully aware of.  You can't get an edge on the game with bet selection.  You can't get an edge on the game with triggers.  You can't get an edge on the game with progressions.  You can't get an edge on the game by flat betting.  You can't get an edge on the game by playing dozens or lines or streets or any bet location.  We all know that.  Some refuse to admit it, nonetheless they must sense it by now.

I've said this multiple times, but will say it again.  I do not profess that any of my systems with beat the game of roulette over the long run.  All I'm saying about my better systems is that if you play them correctly, they will give you a pretty good shot at leaving the casino with more money than you walked in with MOST OF THE TIME.  If you limit your losses on bad days but push your winnings on good days, you could actually stay ahead of the game for a very long time.  Maybe even for the rest of your life.  If you're unlucky, nothing will work.  Pick another hobby.

Until someone posts the system that never loses, this is the best we can hope for.  F_LAT_INO has pronounced his "bullet proof" system a long term winner based on thousands of tested and played spins.  I have tested his system and find it solid, so I include it in my quiver of systems that I play.  I have a modified version of Tera TNT that I'm still way ahead of the game on.  I have had losing days playing it, but overall it has been staying ahead of the game for me.

A modified Oscar's Grind is my favorite bet progression method.  I can't say I've found the perfect mix of when to increase the bet sizes by a little or a lot, but I've found a way that works for me.

I have decided that it's a waste of money to bet multiple locations at 1 time such as double dozens, multiple lines or streets, etc...  It's crazy to bet even 2 lines instead of 1 dozen because even though you're betting 12 numbers with either bet, with 2 lines you are betting 2 units which you lose on a zero whereas you only lose 1 unit on a zero when betting a dozen.

I am leaning toward increasing bets after wins and decreasing bets after losses, sometimes.  My reasoning is this:  If we can keep our bets minimized during periods of high losses and maximize our bet sizes during periods of high wins, we can win.  I know that a D'Alembert or Pluscoup won't work well enough.   What we need to come up with is a bet method that decreases bet sizes when we're having too many losses close together and raises our bets when we start having a lot of wins close together.  This is because we need to have a cluster of wins of large bets of such a size that they recover previous losses before we reach the table limit or our personal bank limit.

I'm talking about something like decrease bet size by 1 unit after a certain number of losses vs wins.  Decrease by 2 units if that ratio increases and by 3 units if it increases even more.  On the other side, we increase our units when we start getting a higher wins to losses ratio and if it goes even higher we increase more.  The dilemma is when and how much.  This may include finding ourselves still in the hole when we get back to 1 unit bets. 

I haven't found the perfect scenario yet, but you can be sure that if I do, I'll share it with the forum!

I may be crazy for trying, but at least I'm still a team player even if it's on the crazy's team!

GLC

[beretta28]

GLC
your comments are corrects and pertinent.
All players have a progression that they consider the best one.
I'm afraid that is a matter of luck too:if you play the progression in a lucky day or session,you make the conclusion that it is very solid.
All progressions are solid or weak:it depends on the outcomes(permanence) and on the variance.
I would like to have the demonstration of why a progression is better than another(math,statistic,other...or luck?)
It's difficult to find a progression that NEVER WINS.
That's the proof that all progression are equivalent.
The only difference is between a slow/shy progression or a fast/aggressive progression:it's a matter of personality!
Either you have a long agony or you die in a few spins.

[probasah]

Hi George and beretta,

The answer is always: TEST TEST TEST.
If you have an idea worth trying, ill do the tracker for you. for free.
Stress comes from ambiguity. No ambiguity (wishful thinking) no more stress.

Give it 10k, 100k or 1 billion spins. it doesnt matter.
I think the solution is to find multiple bets in one bet:)
Singles vs series is also an interesting bet.

Regards,
Alex

[beretta28]

Thank you Probasah for your help.
I appreciate,but it's useless.
No system or progression resists at 100K or billions spins.
If you play even chances flat bet it's impossible to be + after 25000 spins,even if you are very very lucky(it's mathematic!).
If you play progressions you can resist 100000 spins ,with a lot,a lot of luck.
An old scientist said:-"Tell me your system or progression and I write down in a few minutes the sequence of numbers that make you lose all your bkr."
This sequence of number is the pattern that kill your system and sooner or later you'll meet it at the table..
The sole solution is to play only a few spins per session and with an huge bkr,to stop playing at + 1 or 2 units.
But one day,may be tomorrow,the pattern that make you lose,will appear.....

[deepred]

You cant play every spin. You must play the game out of sync, that is the way to beat it. Find something that is repeatable and when the time is right in ,up, and out!!!!   
   Making 10 dollars to a thousand wont happen, but making 100 into 120 is attainable. Compound your money, slow and steady always wins the race.     
    Focus on breaking the game down and seeing where the ball goes. Its easier to see things that way.

  Good luck         GJ

[GLC]

You can't play every spin. You must play the game out of sync, that is the way to beat it. Find something that is repeatable and when the time is right in ,up, and out!!!!   
   Making 10 dollars to a thousand won't happen, but making 100 into 120 is attainable. Compound your money, slow and steady always wins the race.     
    Focus on breaking the game down and seeing where the ball goes. Its easier to see things that way.

  Good luck         GJ

Thank you Deepred.  I couldn't have said it better. 

My goal in studying roulette is to devise a method of play, not just a system, but a method, that I can play for 1 hour per day, with 10,000 units and win 3 times more than I can get from the stock market which is about 10% on average over the years.  That's 30% increase in a year.  With compound interest, it should grow quite nicely.  I'm still vacillating between Blackjack and roulette, that's why most of my focus is on even chance bets.  With Blackjack, a good basic strategy can give us right at an even chance to win.  I adjust my strategy so that I don't double down or split as frequently as basic strategy indicates, but coupled with a good progression just a little more aggressive than a flatbet, I am starting to smell the flowers.

GLC

[Azim]

How is your Blackjack game coming along.  I am thinking of giving up roulette for now till I find a way to avoid counter betting inside numbers playing 4-5 systems with a bot.

I was looking at blackjack. Is there a good reliable site to pick up a basic strategy from?

[6th-sense]

george could  you pm your email address i have a few pdf,s you might like tried to pm you but its says you blocked me,,,

[GLC]

How is your Blackjack game coming along.  I am thinking of giving up roulette for now till I find a way to avoid counter betting inside numbers playing 4-5 systems with a bot.

I was looking at blackjack. Is there a good reliable site to pick up a basic strategy from?

Azim,  The basic strategy is published on most systems that teach you how to play BJ.  The book I used to learn from is "Playing Backjack As A Business" by Lawrence Revere.  I learned the Advanced Point Count Strategy which took a monumental effort, but netted me 1.5% profit over the course of 500 hours of life play.

That was back when you could still find double deck games and an occasional single deck game at the Circus Circus Casino in Vegas.

Learning to count in today's world is, in my opinion, wasted time because of the counter measures the casinos are using against card counters.

I'm looking at a modified basic strategy where I double down and split less than recommended because I don't want to double a large bet just because I get a 5 or 6 against a 9.  Maybe if I get a 6 against an eleven.  I'm not as eager to split if I'm at a large bet point in a progression.  Modifications like this make sense to me.

Do a google search for "Basic Strategy" and you will get a million hits.

Use an even chance progression that suits your risk tolerance and do some testing on Betvoyager.

GLC

[Azim]

George,

I am up for the Black Jack bot. Would really like to get it done by Friday / Saturday next week.

Will this work as a basic guide line. If you up for testing, we can fine tune it.

If you think there is a better one out there. I could use that.

[GLC]

It looks fine to me.  If I'm betting a progression and I'm betting larger amounts I would make these adjustments:
Don't double on 2 vs 9 or 10
Don't double on 3 vs 9
Don't double on 10 vs 9
Don't split 2's, 3's or 6's, hit instead.

If you can count cards, even a simple plus /minus, it can make a difference if you're playing against a casino that let's the dealers deal a reasonable distance into the shoe.  Half way would be fabulous.  A quarter of the way can make a difference.  Less than that won't matter much unless you see a plethora of low or high cards right off the top.

When the true count is plus 1 or more, you can be more aggressive on the doubles and splits
When the true count is minus, you should be conservative on double and splits.

Remember that even with an advantage of about 2%, it still takes at least 1,000 units to minimize the risk of going bust, and that's with a very mild progression.

Be careful.  If you're losing and it's causing you stress, you should go to a smaller unit size.  I know you know this.  I'm saying it for any newbies that may be reading this topic.

GLC

[Azim]

If you can count cards, even a simple plus /minus, it can make a difference if you're playing against a casino that let's the dealers deal a reasonable distance into the shoe.  Half way would be fabulous.  A quarter of the way can make a difference.  Less than that won't matter much unless you see a plethora of low or high cards right off the top.

GLC

George, It looks like we are hijacking this thread. Counting cards can be done.

I don't know if Steve will have a problem in us opening another thread for Black Jack.

Steve, considering Black Jack is new to me in the sense of playing the game. I am sure short of George and no offence to George, others would like to have an input.

Once the bot is ready, It will be left on here for anyone to use it. I will obviously appreciate some sort of donation from the members for my time(Not a must). This will be one way of me giving back to the forum.
I am sure, the bot will have it's up and downs. However, it will put everyone on the positive side in the long run. It will be their own greed which will get to them.

If you fine with this. I can open a new thread.