Why ROULETTE? Simple Question for the Community

[probasah]

Guys, can i ask you a question?

Why do you choose roulette if all methods fail?

Can we not use all the info we got here and make money exploiting games where we can actually win?
Bacarrat, Poker or 21, of stock market?

Why do we chose to fight a giant (roulette) when we can fight weaker opponents?

I have tested so far about 100 methods, and the only certain thing is that they all lose:) (im talking purely mathematical random generated numbers)

I feel somehow close to the perfect bet, until a killer run comes along and washes away thousands of spins:)

There are a few roulette players that make a living out of it, only a few that are EXTREMELY LUCKY.

I tend to think that in other games, like poker or stock market, we deal with a psychological advantage. We bet against humans and not against roulette. Maybe that is the way to go?


I do not make a living out of roulette. For me roulette is an intellectual challenge,  to  test other peoples systems, but it all comes to the same result: you win some and lose alot more.


Forget my rant, but i want to know if you guys make a living with roulette of through other games.

Cheers,
Alex.

[beretta28]

Clever men(that we are not)would play only games with positive expectation.
In a Casino there are not games like that,apart from Blackjack in certain situations.
For sure not roulette(even with RouletteMaster system 1.2 stop),not Baccarat or others.
There are games having negative expectation lower than others(Blackjack 6 decks playing Basic strategy -0,65%,Baccarat playing Bank only -1,06%,even chances at roulette -1,35% and something similar at Craps).
Unluckily for players all games with 2 options(Red/Black,Banco/Punto) ,even if with a low VIG, are mathematically unbeatable.
Even in stock market you have negative expectation and VIG(commissions) and in the long term you'lose.
If balance sheet analysys,increase in turnover or merger or other were criteria for increasing the value of a given stock,we would be all rich!
ONLY LUCK CAN SAVE YOU!!!!
Poker...may be,but you need millions of hands(like Black Jack counting cards).
But the key issue is BANKROLL.You need huge bkr because,also in games with positive expectation,you have to resist to big drawdowns and deviations.With negative expectation is even worst of course.
The proof is that also a given roulette table of a Casino(positive expectation) can lose money for several weeks, if players are particularly lucky.
But in thousands and thousands spins and with several tables they win for sure,because they have huge bkr.

[RouletteMaster]

I can only share my thoughts. I cant break beliefs 

[ignatus]

We all come to this point sooner or later (giving up) some do, some don't! But we learn from our mistakes, that's the only way to learn. Trial and error

[probasah]

Thank you for the replies, guys!

It is really nice to see so many opinions, in so less time.

The reason i had asked this obvious controversial question, is that sometimes the truth hides RIGHT in front of our eyes. And we are distracted and cannot see it.
I may not speak a perfect english ( for which i am sorry), i may not be the most educated person in here, the most elegant or bright. Not at all. I just like speaking my mind out. I may be wrong, of course.
There are numerous stories that i had read where gambling destroys lives and families. I for one, am glad i had chosen to not play it for  real money. It saved me from losing a lot of money. I sit around and watch others coming and going into the forum with the next Holy Grail, and then i put it into trackers, and see the graph. 10000 spins it works. An then it comes the moment where EVERYTHING goes wrong.
The previous confidence shatters in a moment. You had 10,000 money in profit, and in one moment, you are at -5000 usd. You have to go home to your family and kids and explain to them that.
I imagine sometimes that image, and feel really really sorry for those persons, had they played with real money.

I am really grateful for this forum: it thought me 2 things: 1. There is no Holy Grail. All systems and methods fail. 2) Playing the roulette for fun money, as a form of entertainment (like watching tv)

I feel the worst enemy is not the roulette itself, but out OWN SELVES. Our greed.

Thats what it makes the casino managers drive their new ferrari. Over and over again. That`s their biggest secret.

Im thinking into opening my own business, and leave this expensive game behind me. I am losing the biggest wealth in the world with it. MY TIME.

I can start a business like Mc Donalds, or Google, or Apple.  Sell car parts, colored paper or kids toys

RouletteMaster, i am happy for you that you found your way. I will put the system you said in a tracker. Will give it up for free for the community after its finished. Like always (there is no secret or motives behind it, just good will)

Beretta28, thanks for stopping by. I fully agree with you.

Ignatus, my friend, i never give up. The purpose is having  wealth. Roulette isnt the fastest way to that. Unless you are extremely  lucky. Take your savings, like 50000 usd and go to the nearest casino and play red. That is it. I just think that risking your money in a 50% 50% chance is plain irresponsible. Well roulette is that. On a smaller scale. You play with luck.

I will continue to make trackers for you all. Is it EXCITING and misterious how a game like this was never won? Definately! Is it worth spending your time with it? I dont think so.

Later, im going to dinner with my family.

Cheers to you all,

Alex.

[TwoCatSam]

Alex

Once while at the horse races, in the bathroom, I heard a man in a stall crying his heart out.  I vowed to never be there.

Let me answer your question from my perspective.  I do what we do for fun and the companionship of others who are like-minded.  If I ever made enough to buy a hamburger, I'd faint!!  (Before I buy that burger, I'd have to win back all I've lost over the years.)

I do not like playing with fun money as it is NOT the same.  The play may be the same, but my mind isn't.  I like the challenge of playing with real money.  Lastly, I would never play with any money I could not give to a beggar on the street.  But a question for you:  I know a fellow with a $20,000 bass boat he pulls with a $40,000 pickup.  He has another $10,000 in equipment, at least.  So what is his goal?  Certainly not to catch enough fish to break even!!  Get my point?  I won't go into golf clubs, wigs, hair and nails and all the other stuff we spend our "fun money" on.

RouletteMaster......  Let me see if I got this 100% straight.  I may hire it "sheeted".

They do. But there are some that win more than lose. Let me give an example. I'd love an example!! 

For simplicity sake, let me take an even chance of red and black. Red and black I understand.

Use a progression of two step progression - 1,2 Short-leash Martingale.  Got it...

Play for single and if lost play for a series of 3 or more.  Let's say I bet red and black comes.  Now I bet for two more blacks?  Is that not three bets?
 
Win or lose, end your bets there. When playing for single play with 1 unit.  OK, I just bet red

If won, look for the next opportunity to bet single. OK

If lost, play that the series of 2 will become series of 3 or more and play it with 2 units. This I find confusing.  Are you saying this:  I see red.  I am going to bet black to make that red a single.  If I lose and get red, I will now bet red for a triple?  Is that the plan, Dan?


If won, look for next opportunity for betting single. If lost, forget it accept the loss and look for next opportunity to bet single with 1 unit again.

Let's discuss a "single".

R
R
R.......is this R a single?

B
R........is this R a single?

I'll accept an answer from almost anyone..

Sam

[ati]

Well, I tried poker in the past 3 years, but I had to realize that I can't beat myself, and my tilt issues. I believe I have talent for the game, I played hundred of thousands of hands, from a $20 deposit, I went up to thousands with strict bankroll management, then lost most of it in two nights, playing too high for my roll. And this happened many many times with different amounts.
I'm quite new to roulette, but what I like is that I don't have to play against other humans. In poker I was going totally mad many times, because I didn't just lose due to bad luck, but because of other humans decisions. So I blamed bad luck and also my opponents.

[TwoCatSam]

I think I figured the system out without help.  (Pat pat)  Say........isn't this almost identical to the system Turner posted?

TC

[probasah]

Alex

Once while at the horse races, in the bathroom, I heard a man in a stall crying his heart out.  I vowed to never be there.

Let me answer your question from my perspective.  I do what we do for fun and the companionship of others who are like-minded.  If I ever made enough to buy a hamburger, I'd faint!!  (Before I buy that burger, I'd have to win back all I've lost over the years.)

I do not like playing with fun money as it is NOT the same.  The play may be the same, but my mind isn't.  I like the challenge of playing with real money.  Lastly, I would never play with any money I could not give to a beggar on the street.  But a question for you:  I know a fellow with a $20,000 bass boat he pulls with a $40,000 pickup.  He has another $10,000 in equipment, at least.  So what is his goal?  Certainly not to catch enough fish to break even!!  Get my point?  I won't go into golf clubs, wigs, hair and nails and all the other stuff we spend our "fun money" on.

RouletteMaster......  Let me see if I got this 100% straight.  I may hire it "sheeted".

They do. But there are some that win more than lose. Let me give an example. I'd love an example!! 

For simplicity sake, let me take an even chance of red and black. Red and black I understand.

Use a progression of two step progression - 1,2 Short-leash Martingale.  Got it...

Play for single and if lost play for a series of 3 or more.  Let's say I bet red and black comes.  Now I bet for two more blacks?  Is that not three bets?
 
Win or lose, end your bets there. When playing for single play with 1 unit.  OK, I just bet red

If won, look for the next opportunity to bet single. OK

If lost, play that the series of 2 will become series of 3 or more and play it with 2 units. This I find confusing.  Are you saying this:  I see red.  I am going to bet black to make that red a single.  If I lose and get red, I will now bet red for a triple?  Is that the plan, Dan?


If won, look for next opportunity for betting single. If lost, forget it accept the loss and look for next opportunity to bet single with 1 unit again.

Let's discuss a "single".

R
R
R.......is this R a single?

B
R........is this R a single?

I'll accept an answer from almost anyone..

Sam

Hi, uncle Sam!

i think the system of roulettemaster is this:

lets start with 2 spins

B
R - bet B 1u (single) - 1u
R - Lose ( you have 2 R, your goal is to make series of RRR) - BET R, 2u
B Lost, -2u

______
total attack 1= -3u

------------------------------------------

you lost the 1st attack, reset and look for single
so last spin was
B - Bet R, 1u
R - WIN, reset and look for single +1u
------------------
total attack2=+1u

-----------------------------------------
so last spin was
R - BET B, 1u
R - Lost, WAIT AND TRACK FOR A SERIE (serie of 2 of the same color) -1u
B -no bet
R- no beta
R  - WE have RR, so bet the serie to continue to RRR, BET R, 2u
R - Won ,+2u
-----------------------------------
total attack3=+1u

TOTAL from 3 attacks= -3u+1u+1u= -1u

(that is an example)

I hope im not wrong with it.
Thanks for stopping by.

Regards,
Alex

[teo]

As Beretta said,only large BR can win constantly day-need amount...and am sure he sees
it at Monte Carlo casino/where he comes from/every day regular players winning constantly/the other tourists are lossing/------those gentleman are professional players.

[probasah]

As Beretta said,only large BR can win constantly day-need amount...and am sure he sees
it at Monte Carlo casino/where he comes from/every day regular players winning constantly/the other tourists are losing/------those gentleman are professional players.

Hi teo,

Thank you for stopping by. Yes, i do think they work with large BR, but in the end it is gambling. Horror sessions happen all the times. For millionaires that is of no issue, as they can easily lose 1 or 10 milions per night in casinos. For the rest of us, that is simply not possible.

Regards,
Alex

[teo]

I know the guy/we sometimes used to travel together/that sold his 3 bedrooms flat,and with the money he got he makes a living....and it was 7 years past since he sold it.....he is every night
in my local casino and always have at least 50 k with him........but he targets about 50/100 euros,
and never seen him sit at the table,just walking around,and doesn't rape the game...very professional.O yes he loses sometimes........but never then 100 euros...a new day he says.

[probasah]

They do. But there are some that win more than lose. Let me give an example.

For simplicity sake, let me take an even chance of red and black. Use a progression of two step progression - 1,2. Play for single and if lost play for a series of 3 or more. Win or lose, end your bets there. When playing for single play with 1 unit. If won, look for the next opportunity to bet single. If lost, play that the series of 2 will become series of 3 or more and play it with 2 units. If won, look for next opportunity for betting single. If lost, forget it accept the loss and look for next opportunity to bet single with 1 unit again.

Dear Roulettemaster,

See the attached tracker for your method. Let me know if that is what you meant.

Step1 = single attack, 1 u
Step2 = series attack, 2u

F9 for new random numbers or enter your spins on the green column.

Regards,
Alex

[TwoCatSam]

I entered some spins from Smart Live auto wheel..........

[Proofreaders2000]

Guys, can i ask you a question?  Why do
you choose Roulette if all methods fail?-Probash

Roulette can be very lucrative (if you're the casino.)

For me it's like the Mount Everest challenge.  (Because it's there...)
Secondly the 'Build a Better Mousetrap' belief that fame and fortune lie on the other side of the Grail I'm about to stumble upon.  (Even if I don't) heh