Do you think online casinos cheat?

[Steve]

I've never known any cammegh wheel to be capable of selecting the winning number.

Yes they show the difference in winning number that is capable, but this is not actual selection of a number - it is randomized. If their wheels were capable of selecting an outcome, then this result would not be "random", and it would be illegal in almost every casino in the world. My solicitor did research in many jurisdictions and so did solicitors from other computer players, and it is illegal to influence spin results in a way where a number is targeted, whether the player or casino equipment does it.

You could also have massive diamonds where the ball falls predictably (no scatter), but the outcome could still be randomized by something like:

1. ball being propelled random number of revolutions before it begins to roll naturally
2. randomized rotor deceleration changes

[ausguy]

Unless we had access to the operational software/casino settings/management info. we can never know ?

As EGMs autowheels only have to comply with payout compliance (statisical independent audits) as legislated in the gaming law & administered by the relevant gaming authority.  I don't think your solicitors advice is correct for autowheels ?

The FINAL time I played an autowheel was some 2+ years ago at The Star in Sydney (OZZ). I played on the Interblock organic wheel, the one with those 18 large
pocket guides.

I played 33 numbers so only 4 numbers uncovered. Zero, 4B, 5R & 6B (a vacant street). Spin 1 lost 5R hit, rebet same - 6B hit lost, rebet same - 6B hit (dbl) lost, changed bets on 2 numbers. So uncovered were then zero, 4B, 36R & 25R lost again when 4B hit, next bet same 25R hits & loss, rebet same & win when 17B hit (right next door to an uncovered 25R) rebet same again & 25R hits & again a loss (a 17B winner was right next door as a matter of interest).

So out of 33 bet numbers I got 5 straight losses out of 6  & only 1 winner. @ $1 bets that was $198 in losses & only $3 in wins so the net loss was $195. For me the results were manipulated & the wheel was only 1 pocket away from a 7 nil clean sweeep, the pocket guides frame 2 numbers & I saw it almost drop into 25R then drop into 17B my only win.

I also think that the autowheels are interactive. That is they switch their manipulation on & off = sometimes random. Thus you have the situation where in the opinion of a winning player I don't know what I'm talking about whereas a losing player will say "I know where you're coming from."

[Steve]

Knowing the wheel settings would of course be helpful, but they alone wouldn't be enough. You dont really need to know the "cause" of something, you more need to know the "effect". It is easy to assess what countermeasures an auto wheel has, or rather know what is predictable or not. I have software that does this. It does a few things but one example is you can clock 10 or so entire spins to know the timings of each ball revolution, right to the end of the spin. Then the software tells you how consistent the ball's deceleration rate is between different spins, and at what ball speeds does the ball roll consistently enough. My players know it as the Atilt timer and deviation tester. It makes assessing wheels and countermeasures much easier which is important because you need to focus on the best wheels, and need to be able to find the best ones quickly.

[Carsch]

Among other things it changes the timing, the ball decay, and the scatter, and helps dissolve any bias that might be present in the current situation.

Perhaps they suspected you or someone else at the table was using visual ballistics, etc, or perhaps it was just something the casino does periodically by default.

Makes sense.

[ausguy]

Steve - Knowing what the autowheel has done in a previous just past set of spins would most likely not allow a successful prediction for the current spin unless the earnings program "permitted" the wheel to give you a winner ?

As the bets usually close before the ball launches, last second bets are not possible. 

Do your players play autowheel much ?  If they don't is it because they lose more than they win ?

[Steve]

If the bets close before the wheel spins, then it limits your options (ie no roulette computers).

You can analyse the "deviation" from the normal behaviour, which tells you how predictable elements of the spin will be. This can tell you what approaches to predicting the spins have a chance of working.

Many of my players play on auto wheels. They are treated the same way as normal wheels, but require more thorough assessment to see what countermeasures are applied, and to what degree. Generally players are much more like to skip an auto wheel than a normal wheel because of countermeasures. You get good and bad wheels all the time, auto or normal wheels. But not all players have a wide selection of wheels. If you only have 2 or so wheels, it isnt much but sometimes viable with extra work, although most people arent prepared for that. If you have 5-6 this is usually enough, even if the wheels are of the same design because they all have unique properties you dont physically see.

[Azim]

OK Azim as you're a fan of the airball/autowheel game let's see how you go with it from now until the end of the year. Just give a regular update of the basics of your play such as BR, number of bet spins +/- profit or loss & running net total, number of sessions per week or similar.

If your MO is correct you will be in viable profit & if I'm correct you will be in the RED & underwater.

Ausguy,

I don't have to wait till the end of the year.

Have a look at this link, I have all my deposits and withdrawals.  I love challenges.  This one I am attaching, is just for you.  I am not going to show you my withdrawals.

I am quite sure everyone will agree why would I deposit, If I had money in the account.by the way NOTICE NO DEPOSIT IS OVER OR CLOSE To a 100.  THE DEPOSIT OF 100 everyone sees was deposited by a friend. Even when you look at the link. Even there I did mention I have friends who play with my account, when they come over and visit.

I have said this before and I am saying it again. I wasn't out to scam anyone at that time.

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12401.0

I put my money where ever my mouth goes.

BTW this was all bot playing.