Do you think online casinos cheat?

[therouletter]

I must admit I have always had my suspicions about online casinos...  my suspicions grow in certain situations that occur too often.  For example in street betting.  I noticed when I first dabbled in online roulette (at one particular casino) that more line numbers appeared than I had noticed at B&M casinos.

Extraordinary sequences of 19-20-21 kept appearing for thousands of spins. Eventually I got on board and if I waited for one of the numbers to appear it was almost a forgone conclusion that one of the three would appear again withing 5 spins. I did very nicely for many hours of play.  Eventually however it stopped.  One of the three would appear at the start of every game and then up to 200 spins would occur before another one of the street repeated.

Just a coincidence?? Yep, that’s what I put it down to. However after more than 3 years of playing I have seen the same thing happen (with different street bets) and certain areas of the wheel hit, on too many occasions.  The secret I believe is to see when they are cheating and how they are cheating and get on board.

They are just cheating individual players? or are generating the numbers to all players? I bet for the second option.  Therefore if you see they are delivering amazing line sequences or hitting particular sections of the wheel, you can almost guarantee this will happen for an extended period. That’s when you can clean up!!

I guess I study this similarly to the dealer signature method at B&M casinos. The difference being it is much more obvious at online casinos, which when you work out the cheating strategy you can actually make big bucks online!



I Interested to hear of other regular online players experiences.

Atte.
TheRouletter

[Kingspin]

Well i have played as much online roulette as much as any one you can name on this forum , i have played "tons" of online roulette.
The question is do on line casino's cheat, or do some online casino's cheat.  The answer without a question of a doubt is that yes cheating is going off with online roulette.  The big question is how do they do it and the answer is there is different methods involved.
There is several methods used to rob gamblers online.   Rigged rng is common. " Live wheels" that are not actually live at all, bets can be manipulated easily with live roulette.  Bet blocking is another thing they do , "bets not accepted" flashes up due to some technical
reason , the fact is they don't want your bet because they know it's a winner!..   

I have quit the game online now permanent too because of all the cheating going off. 

[ddarko]

@ kingspin

Could you please elaborate on which "live" wheels were iffy ??

That kinda information would be v v helpful to anybody actually playing roulette n not RNG 

[Carsch]

At a live online casino (Celtic), twice i've seen a ball land on a number then jump out to a nearby pocket. Funny thing is, i saw it happen on their European wheel, then later on, I saw it happen on their American wheel. Was I seeing things? But it was so obvious. Never before had I seen such a thing on a roulette wheel.

[iggiv]

Carch, it's normal. Actually low profile wheel pockets are created just for that. To randomize results. For example in Playtech live wheels dealers very frequently through the balls out of the wheels. I mean balls jump a lot. It makes VB harder. It's not cheating.

[iggiv]

guys, i want to explain for you some problem which many may encounter here.

You gotta realize, that if u use the same patterns (especially frequently) you gonna lose eventually. What happens with online live wheels?

Let's say you tested some method. And it worked on a paper (or with RX -- which is much more convenient). You took some spins from a couple of german wheels which are available online.

you went to local casino a couple of times. And it worked as well. you start thinking u got a winning method. But it is not quite true very likely. It may be a winning method if u don't use it too much. Which is fine when you went a couple of times to real casino.

But then you start using in on online wheels. And do it everyday. It is so easy, no need to drive somewhere. Here is computer, and You can do it easily between other things u do at home. And after a couple of winning times
the method starts losing. Oh, you say. "They are cheating!" Not necessarily  true.

Roulette is "cheating" on you. Roulette does what it does. Kills any strict patterns. So here the story goes...
Roulette let u win a little and then you lose...

But if u do it at local casino or at RX with certain wheels as frequently as u did online, you will get roughly the same results...

[probasah]

guys, i want to explain for you some problem which many may encounter here.

You gotta realize, that if u use the same patterns (especially frequently) you gonna lose eventually. What happens with online live wheels?

Let's say you tested some method. And it worked on a paper (or with RX -- which is much more convenient). You took some spins from a couple of german wheels which are available online.

you went to local casino a couple of times. And it worked as well. you start thinking u got a winning method. But it is not quite true very likely. It may be a winning method if u don't use it too much. Which is fine when you went a couple of times to real casino.

But then you start using in on online wheels. And do it everyday. It is so easy, no need to drive somewhere. Here is computer, and You can do it easily between other things u do at home. And after a couple of winning times
the method starts losing. Oh, you say. "They are cheating!" Not necessarily  true.

Roulette is "cheating" on you. Roulette does what it does. Kills any strict patterns. So here the story goes...
Roulette let u win a little and then you lose...

But if u do it at local casino or at RX with certain wheels as frequently as u did online, you will get roughly the same results...

The interesting part in all of this is the number of spins we try out methods on. Even 1 billion spins are not enough! Its a freaking black hole that contracts itself.
The roulette is adaptive and patterns are consumed and are NEGATIVE all the time. Now alternating the patterns, might be a solution, a temporary one at least.
After spending all this time in making trakers in excel, i came to this conclusion: we are folowing the DOTS not the LINES. Then we are following the LINES, not the 2D SURFACES. Then we dont see the 3d figures from the 2d SURFACES. Then we miss the time parameter.
This whole journey translates into one word: FAILURE.

We need to resurrect einstein and make him work for us.

Regards,
Alex

[probasah]

I must admit I have always had my suspicions about online casinos...  my suspicions grow in certain situations that occur too often.  For example in street betting.  I noticed when I first dabbled in online roulette (at one particular casino) that more line numbers appeared than I had noticed at B&M casinos.

To answer your question, therouletter, most of the online casinos MAY be rigged (RNG). I have a friend that is a software developer for roulette applications on mobile. He told me NEVER GAMBLE using phone applications as you will lose for sure.

RNG is not live roulette.

Cheers,
Alex

[ati]

I will tell you, if I survive the next couple of sessions. I had 16 winning sessions in a row on Betvoyager, with a very small 10 or 20 units win goal. It was going very well, in average I needed 25 spins to win 10 units with EC bets. Then it started to be very tough to win. Now I feel like BV knows what my win goal is, because every time I one unit from my goal, I lose many spins in a row. It's been going on for 3 days. I've just finished a session, and I needed 224 spins to win 10 units.

The number repeating is an interesting thing. I'm also trying to find out if it's random or not on BV. Couple days ago I noticed, that every time I start a new game, one of the first 5 numbers will repeat within 10 spins. I started to test with playmoney and I was right. It did repeat about 20 out of 25 times. I got excited then started to take notes, after 64 tries I'd be up 108 units if I bet on the first 5 numbers, but I'm still not sure, because sometimes it doesn't happen a couple times is a row and that can cost a lot.

[Hermes]

No online casinos don't cheat they only steal. When you would have "software" casino what would you do to improve earnings?
You need just one computer to have an online casino!
Don't be lazy go to land casinos, also they cheat, especially slot machines! Greed does not have boundary!
Hermes

[Azim]

Guy's lets face it. Don't lie to yourself and answer this question:  When you take number's down and go home to check or you check manually, wow it's a winner.

We have always said roulette has it's own mind, having said that, I had a request from someone to write him an application to analyze his system. Having read it, I said the man was intelligent with his idea.  I drop everything for 2 days and wrote him the tool. Which he claims doesn't work. Anyways to cut the story short, I played with it, I only needed a bankroll of 100units. To make a good amount, I wasn't home to stop it and it played for 8hrs straight and the final result was i lost I couldn't believe the amount of spins against this system after that long of play. I was shocked, but shouldn't have been. Moral of the story. As we say in poker as well, you will see more rare hands online than real life. e.g. 4 of a kind is common online considering the amount of hands played. Same as live dealer, if you play as many hands in a session you will see those hands.  That's what's happening to us.

We all see spin's from hell once in a while and get discouraged by our winning system. Lower your Spins played, reduce the urge of becoming rich over night. I am sure yes you will lose, but you will win 7 out of 10 times. With the right Calculations the 7 wins, 3 losses should give you 4 wins net every 10 tries.

I have said this before and repeating again:  Go to the ocean and get a pail of water out, you will be able to walk away from the beach. Try and take a a truck full of water, you ill get stuck on the beach and the next tide will drown you,  Casino is a 24 hour ATM machine if used correctly.

[ati]

I am sure yes you will lose, but you will win 7 out of 10 times. With the right Calculations the 7 wins, 3 losses should give you 4 wins net every 10 tries.

That's not the hard part to win 7 out of 10. The hardest part is to narrow the gap between the losings and winnings. Most people lose a lot more in a losing session then they win in a winning session.
If I lose, I always lose everything. I can rarely quit a losing session, it doesn't matter how big my roll is. That's why now I sit down with only 80 units, and try to quit before I lose everything, or I quit after 10-20 units win. It's been going well so far, 36 winning sessions out of 38 in the last 10 days since I started playing again for real money. But the 2 losing sessions combined gives me 136 units loss, and that's what I have to keep down.

[porkeporkeporke]

I am convinced that they cheat.

Also so called live tables,its all a hoax.

I was playing simultanious with my friend in a well known online casino ,he was palying with play money and I was playing with real money .


he kept winning and I kept losing .
Most online casinos are scammers, I am sure.

all the best ..............

[iggiv]

Live tables and RNG behave differently. It's much easier to cheat for RNG. Computer program can do ANYTHING.


Live roulette is usually a different story.

[ati]

At this moment I think they cheat, because I lost my roll again. But losing my patient played a big part in it as usual.
So last time I made a 20 euro deposit on BV, quickly lost it, then I realized I still had 1.5 euro on my account, so I started playing with 5 cent units. I built my roll up to 26 euro in about 15 days, and from that moment the disaster started. No matter how safely I tried to play, I could barely able to book a winning session, and most of the days I finished in the red. Yesterday I covered 35 out of 36 numbers(probably bad idea but the risk is only 35 units), and that one number hit...on the very first spin of my session. Right after that I made the same bet, but with my entire roll, and that one uncovered number hit again. I know it was a bad idea, and it was my fault that I lost my roll in 2 spins, but I had a chance of 97.22% to win and I lost twice in a row. That brings up the question: was I cheated? It's like BV wanted me to make that big bet.
My next try will be on a live wheel, but the pace of live play kills me.