Safe martingale/sleepers system with bot for online roulette(?)

[scriabin]

The system some bots are using is as follows, as I think many of you may know:

The bot keeps track of 1:1 and 2:1 sleepers. Betting thresholds can be programmed. Let's use 10 for 1:1 and 16 for 2:1 for this example.
So after 10 blacks it starts the martingale progression on red. After 16 times not in the first dozen, it starts martingale progression on the first dozen. This way the bot will only bet a few times every couple of hundred spins.

So, you're playing slowly and safely with a low bankroll of 100 and the starting bet is 1. You withdraw 50 everytime your bankroll is at 150.
With a bankroll of 100 you can play a 1 2 4 8 16 32 progression on 1:1. So in this example, only at 17 blacks in a row or more you lose it all.

Aside from all rules, limitations and actions the online casino could undertake, isn't it possible to make slow money this way?

By keeping the bankroll low, you should never lose much and by the first time you lose the entire bankroll to a bad streak you could've made hundreds or thousands already. Some people are saying it works for them.

Where is the flaw in this system?? (again, aside from anything the online casino could do... they may even cheat)

[GLC]

The only thing I worry about is the fact that you get to bet so rarely, that it's hard to win a lot in a reasonable amount of playing time.  Sure, you're using a bot, but 17 e.c.s in a row isn't all that rare when you take all the betting opportunities and line them up next to each other, you have to win at least 61 times for every bust to just stay even.  And remember, zero's count as a loss also.  A couple of zeros along with 15 of the wrong color, and "kapow!  Right in the kisser."

I'm not saying that you can't win with this.  I know a couple of people who say they do.  I just don't know them well enough to stake my reputation, if I even have one, on what they say.

GLC

[Drazen]

Aside from all rules, limitations and actions the online casino could undertake, isn't it possible to make slow money this way?

By keeping the bankroll low, you should never lose much and by the first time you lose the entire bankroll to a bad streak you could've made hundreds or thousands already. Some people are saying it works for them.

Where is the flaw in this system?? (again, aside from anything the online casino could do... they may even cheat)

My friend you are in big big fallacy I am affraid.

This way of playing is very ineffective and dangerous.

I see you are not aware what can you stumble onto. You must know that deviations on EC-s can and WILL be much longer then you are hoping for. I have seen one EC missing for 30 spins..

So with 17 misses you are just at about half of the worst what will get you eventually. Just beacuse that is rare event it doesnt mean it will avoid you. In probability if something can happen, it will happen sooner or later. That is the law.


Drazen

[scriabin]

I never said worse than 17 will not happen. Losing the entire bankroll will happen. The question is if the profits can outweigh the losses in the long run.
On 10 million spins with a roulette simulator, 17 or worse happened maybe 200, 250 times (maximum number of misses was something like 25). If that simulator is similar to an online roulette RNG, well then I still need to hear good arguments why this system doesn't work.

[Azim]

Not being negative. In theory everything should work like normal.

However, there is an outside factor called LUCK.  It will always follow you around.  In a 24 hour period, there is always half an hour given to you were you supposed to be lucky. If you can stay at the table for that long and wait for your half hour. Make a killing and leave. That's why we say HIT & RUN.

[Spin4Fun]

My bot is able to play this kind of strategy, and i tested it.... But long run it fails... Because there is always an event that will take just 1 more spin... And will kill you....

[GLC]

Not being negative. In theory everything should work like normal.

However, there is an outside factor called LUCK.  It will always follow you around.  In a 24 hour period, there is always half an hour given to you were you supposed to be lucky. If you can stay at the table for that long and wait for your half hour. Make a killing and leave. That's why we say HIT & RUN.

Your comment about luck peaked my interest.  Is there a way to determine when we are having our 30 minutes, give or take who knows how long, of luck?

What if we're playing this system?  Can we tell when we've had our luck for the day and should call it quits? 

Let's say we've won 126 times in a row without a loss, is that lucky enough to call it quits for today?   Is this enough manipulation so we can expect to beat the game with this system? 

What if we say two losses before reaching +63 means that we are in the midst of very bad luck and should play virtually until we have a run of 63 wins in a row?  That could be our signal to get back in for real money bets.

Or maybe 2 losses before reaching +63 is a good signal that some luck should be just coming our way immediately and we should just keep playing?

Can something like this work, or are we really squirming around in the quicksand of "Gambler's Conceit" and our doom is attached to our next wiggle?   

My new avatar has me doing a lot of wondering lately,

GLC

[TwoCatSam]

Your new avatar has got me doing a lot of wondering!

[Azim]

I preach this to everyone but have never followed it myself.  I am a person who loves challenges and that's why haven't followed it.

Anyways, I would look at it like this.  I have 100 units to burn.  Divide that 100 into 3 sessions on 1 visit.  I try a system for 3 times.  If I lose the first session  I would try the second session in an hour or so. If I lose both. I walk away for the day.

Now. If I am winning (I am winning and still playing) on my first session +60 units. I keep 50 units aside. If I lose the extra 10. I walk away. Come back in an hour. If I win the second session as well. I call it the day.

If I win first, lose second I try a third session.  I have tried it a few times. Found it boring to wait.

However it all depends on an individual how much you want to push your LUCK.  To me if you were going to make it big you will win big in one of the 3 sessions.