A very clever and extreme method - even money bets.

[Nickmsi]

Hi Blood Angel . . .

Yes, you are correct.  The pattern could be unique and you will lose.  It could also be a repeat and you will win.

This pattern type betting will win and lose according to the laws of probability and eventually will lose due to the house advantage.

Most people do not have access to Trackers/Bots and testing systems manually can be tedious and time consuming so the purpose of the Tracker is to allow members to quickly and easily learn about Pattern type methods and they will see, with a little effort, that this will not work in the long term.

I have found that when actively engaged in the learning process (like with a Tracker) people will have a quicker and greater retention of the subject matter.

This Tracker is not exactly Ego's method, as I am still confused as to how he exactly plays it but it is a Pattern based method so I wanted everyone to see and learn how Pattern based methods work or don't work.

Cheers
Nick

[Blood Angel]

Hi Nick,

Thank you for your reply.
I'm pretty sure that I speak for everyone here when I say, "thank you", to you for the trackers you upload to here and other Forums. As you quite rightly say, they save us a lot of time.

[Turner]

can't believe I'm being this dense but..... @Turner (or anyone else for that matter!), why can't it be BBR? Why can't it be a unique sequence?

BA...

I was being a little tongue in cheek...as i too don't see a reason BBR can't show either.

Also, If you look at the 1st bet, it lost, but wasn't unique, therefor the last 6 from that point arnt unique, so there is no trigger.

Its a "Sam-ism"

"and what if I joined the table a few spins later?"

One guy sees BBB as being a definite...according to the statement....and the other guy sees no trigger and thinks anything could happen (and its the same 3 spins)

[Blood Angel]

BA...

I was being a little tongue in cheek...as i too don't see a reason BBR can't show either.

Also, If you look at the 1st bet, it lost, but wasn't unique, therefor the last 6 from that point arnt unique, so there is no trigger.

Its a "Sam-ism"

"and what if I joined the table a few spins later?"

One guy sees BBB as being a definite...according to the statement....and the other guy sees no trigger and thinks anything could happen (and its the same 3 spins)

Gotcha! Thanks for the reply mate.

[ego]

 Well i can not drop this and i will start from the beginning.
Come with questions and i will try to answer.
I am about to try this method with real money and play baccarat.
I been thinking to add the Star progression.

[GLC]

There used to be a guy called Eirescott who posted a strategy along similar lines to this called the 'Birthday Paradox'.

But that was in some of the old Baccarat forums. Anyone interested might still be able to google it.

I just remembered 'Imspirit' wrote a bit about it on his blog.

Here you go......

link:://imspirit.wordpress.com/tag/birthday-paradox/

The insight that Imspirit presents and the tests run confirm that if we think there's a Holy Grail, we're sadly mistaken.  It does take a very long time for many of us to come to that final conclusion.  We get more enjoyment from the chase, I think, than if we were to catch the prey.

I'm not saying you can't win at roulette.  I'm saying that it takes more than a mechanical method and a sprinkling of luck to stay ahead in the long run.  If 100 people played a system for 1,000,000 spins, would any of them be lucky enough to be a winner at the end?  I doubt it.  After 500 bets, maybe half would still be ahead.  After 2,000 bets it might be down to only 25% would be still ahead.  Another 2,000 and I doubt that more than 5% would still be ahead.  After 10,000 maybe on 1 man left standing.  If someone were super lucky, he might last for 20,000 bets, but I doubt it.

To a purely mechanical system throw in good money management, self-discipline, intuition, precognition, remote viewing, and a bucketful of luck and maybe you have a winner still on his last day.

I happen to have Eirescott's Grail method that I think I can e-mail to anyone that's interested in his final product.  I say "think" because sometimes I can have trouble sending files in a format that can be used by the recipient.  But most of the time things go well.

Send me a PM if you're interested.

GLC

[KoolKat]

Dear GLC,

I am interested in Eirescott's Grail method, particularly if it is e/c etc. I do alot of testing on excel and have been for three years with not much luck.  i am currently looking at JWK method.
Unfortunatly you have blocked me!!
Best Regards Koolkat

[ego]

 I get so good results with this method, so i been thinking to play with real money.

How to cover 24 unique outcomes with only 15 placed bets.

Lets take clustering patterns into lines of three.
Principal of 1/3.

This is 8 unique combinations/patterns.
I can cover all possibilities for each patter will not have a show once.

1. BBB
2. BPB
3. BPP
4. BBP
5. PPP
6. PBP
7. PBB
8. PPB

To be continued - i have to think how to explain this extreme method.
There is also version where you can reduce the bets even more.

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Ok let me start with how i come up with the idea.
I just wanted to reduce bets.

Lets say you have four formations.

XXX
XOX
XXO
OXX

Then if i get

XXX

Then i do nothing and just wait for the next outcome

XXX
O

Now if the formation will repeat, then i will get following formation OO if not then i get a new formation

XXX
OXO

Then i have placed one bet only and wait for next outcome

XXX
OXO
X

Well now i have to wait again for one more outcome because the formation can be any of the previous two, they can start with XX or OX¨

XXX
OXO
XO

Now i will bet for a repeat of the previos formation as we have a match, that is XOX and only one bet

XXX
OXO
XOO

I miss again and have 3 uique formation with 9 trails and i have only placed two bets
Now i wait for one new outcome before next decision

XXX
OXO
XOO
X

Now i have to play XO as i have two shows of it

XXX
OXO
XOO
XX

I miss and that was the third bet, now if next bet dont win with XXX formation, then i will have 4 unique formation with 12 trails and i make a total of 4 bets

XXX
OXO
XOO
XXO

This is how i started the experiment.
Place 4 bets and cover 12 unique trails or4 unique patterns.

To be continued ...

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This is about that a dice with 8 sides will repeat at least once and not show each side once with no repeat.
A dice with 6 sides has 98.5% to show each side with no repeat and is more rare with 8 sides.
And it also capture zig zag ...

Now on topic.
You could see how you could betting against 4 formation to show once each with 4 bets, as i describe above.

Now if you would do the same thing with banker and player then you have add one more bet for each sequence.
Lets say you have BBB then you would start each bet with P as you would avoid to get 4 unique patterns that begin with banker.

BBB
BPB LL
BBP LL
BPP LLL

That is a total of seven bets.
Now you dont want 4 unique patterns that begin with player, so next bet you only have to bet once to avoid that.
Then you repeat the formula all over again.

BBB
BPB LL
BBP LL
BPP LLL
PPP L
PBP LL
PPB LL
PBB LLL

15 bets cover 24 unique trails to show or prevent 8 sides to show once each, alternate.

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No matter what any one say so do i get very good results.
This is from todays random org file.

6 loses once during 300 trails or 3,5 shoe ...

2 1 2
1 1 2 W
1 1 2 LW
2 1 1 W
2 2 1 LL
1 1 1 W
1 2 2 LL
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 LW
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
2 1 1 LW
1 1 2 W
1 1 1 LW
1 2 2 LL
1 1 1 LW
1 2 2 LL
1 1 2 LL
2 1 1 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 1 W
1 2 2 W
1 1 1 LL
2 2 2 W
2 2 1 LW
1 2 2 W
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
1 1 2 LW
2 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 2 2 W
1 2 1 LW
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
2 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
1 2 2 LW
2 2 2 W
2 2 2 LW
1 1 2 W
1 2 1 LL
2 2 2 W
1 1 2 W
1 2 2 LL
2 2 1 W
2 2 1 LW
2 2 2 LW
2 1 1 LL
2 1 2 LW
2 1 2 LW
2 1 1 LW
1 2 1 W
2 1 2 W
1 1 1 W
1 2 2 LL
1 2 2 LW
1 2 1 LW
2 1 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 1 1 W
1 2 2 W
1 2 2 LW
1 1 2 LL
2 2 1 W
1 1 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 1 1 W
1 1 2 LW
2 1 1 W
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
2 1 1 LLW
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
1 1 1 W
1 1 1 LW
1 1 2 LW
1 2 2 LL
2 1 1 W
2 2 2 LL
2 2 1 LL
1 2 1 W
2 1 2 W
2 1 2 LW
2 2 2 LL
1 2 2 W
2 2 2 W
1 2 1 W
2 2 2 W
2 1 2 LL
1 1 1 W
1 1 1 LW

[hanshuckebein]

@koolkat

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=4995.msg50106#msg50106

maybe this helps you further.

cheers

hans

[ego]

I am not saying this is my holy grail, but it looks very stable, i run some more testing and the winnings and loses chop very nice using this method, see attach files from random org ...
1200 trails ...

[GLC]

Ego,  From analyzing your 1200 trials, it does look very stable.  It looks like a total win of 20 units flat betting.  One test was +1, another was +10, another +13 and the last -4 flat betting.  To increase profits, a simple D'Alembert progression would increase profits without every having to bet too large a unit amount or go too deep in the hole.

Playing it with a flat bet should be a very stable ride without having to risk a huge bankroll.  Twenty units over about 600 bets is a very small edge but what do you expect with a negative expectation game.  It is tight enough that it could just be a favorable series of numbers. 

With a flat bet, you it shouldn't get too out of hand if the tide turns.  A reasonable stop loss of say 20 units should protect your bankroll.  Of course, 1 unit won for every 30 bets will require a large enough unit size to make the time investment worthwhile.

GLC

[ego]

Thanks GLC ... i will get back with better explanation about the method ...

[ego]

I have created the very best method that exist for the principal of 1/3.
I have never seen any one write about the method where you clustering patterns into 1/3 and get so good results that i get.
Very small down swings and very high hit ratio.

I just feel happy after solving this method.

[ati]

Thanks for sharing, I will definitely look into this, but at the moment I'm too busy testing my current method. Unfortunately I don't have programming skills, so it can take a very long time to test something. I was working on my previous system for 3 months every minute of my free time, and at the end, well... I gained some experience.

[SamNL]

Thanks for sharing Ego.

I'm going to take another look at it in the evening.