The Way Back

[ati]

Thanks for the kind words GLC! Fortunately no matter how much I lose or win, I never had a feeling I would be addicted. I could stop playing anytime. I started playing roulette again recently, last time I lost $500 and didn't think for a second that I have to win it back. I didn't even play after that for almost two years. I always play with money I can afford. Actually this was the first time I deposited from my bank account, all my previous plays were funded from my poker winnings.

[ausguy]

ati - re: your post #14 I have a different view than you on the outcomes of your losing session mentioned there.

"Nothing extraordinary happened, just a series of bad numbers came...... and the bet size went up to the sky "

RNG has bet avoidance programming. For you to lose the hit number must be one that you don't have a bet on.
The casino has it so they win not you. What I mean is that they don't win every time but long term they prevail.

I'm assumming that the Casino RNG you played at has multi terminals & so other players betting as well ? It's possible/probable that when you were winning other players were losing ? Equally valid would be while you were losing large other players were winning.

Vegas Star is a very common RNG game in casinos. Made to look like real play with HD dealer graphics on a large screen. Closer examination reveals 3  dealers rotated regularly. Fine observation shows that the wheel always gets spun from the same 3 or 4 positions & they get away with it as the ball is always on the centre spindle before every spin. The spins are shown to replicate a real wheel but just before the drop the video changes from the front on view to an overhead view. It's here that the con is complete because they have a bank of all the possible spins so they just show the one that they want.

It's in their own interest to have players win from time to time so they come back thinking they can "clean up" just like you thought.

Then when you started betting big and so chasing losses the RNG went into a "FEEDING FRENZY" & took you to the cleaners.

Why don't you try a different approach and play the live wheel on a play/test basis ?  You could play Rapid Roulette (If they have it) that has same type of screens
as RNG but live dealer spun wheel. Yes costs more money as min. is a lot higher than 0.10 units but the true random may show better long term results ?

Also you could try a live dealer on line casino.

[ati]

Another roll gone goddamnit!! Why the fuck does some unreal shit always have to happen... I was playing very safe slowly building my roll steadily with 1-3 cent units!! I just did my usual bet on one number with progression, started with 2 cents. Guess what?? 267 spins wasn't enough to hit!! Costing me 400 Euro. Every time it worked before, even if I had to wait 100 spins I was only down like 5 Euro, but after about 200 spins, the progression got out of hand.
This time I will not start to rebuild again from cent to cent, I will try to win big!

[ausguy]

Ati - This is what RNG does. You're crashing & burning way too much. If you drew your sessions on a graph (from what you say) the line would 1st ramp up & so show a profit. Then it would start down hill eventually going into negative territory & so HAVE YOU IN THE RED = NET LOSS.

For starters I suggest you take a step back & stop betting how you are.  Then, when in a calm mood (usually after a good nights sleep & a nice breakfast works well) have a careful read of the posts on this WAY BACK thread. Then perhaps look at some other forum threads that show better results than you have been getting.

As I said previously "I think your on the wrong train here" (as in RNG).  Even off small change minimum bets of 0.02 (1 unit) you got to - 400 Euros.   400/0.02 = 20,000 units.

Why do you keep donating your good money to the casino ?

[ausguy]

Using BetVogager RNG as an example (I have never played it).  Many Moons ago there were discussions relating to no bet spins on the game (I think it was important for bot/auto play ?). I think initially the game permitted this ? Then that was blocked. To get around this I think players then bet on both opposing EC choices EG RED/BLACK.  Then this was also blocked, as was opposing inside bets ? So to play it then needed a bet(s) for every spin.

The exact accuracy of the imformation is not important here as what I'm getting at is the game program is tweaked/fine tuned, as necessary, so that the casino maintains its profit advantage over most of the plays. It's highly likely that the RNG program not only "watches" your in play balance but also reacts to your past results ?

Processing speeds what they are these days it would all be done in micro seconds = as soon as you press the spin button.

In other words (electronically) there's a little man inside the game pulling the levers. He always has one eye on your bets and the other eye on the cash for the casino score board. When the casino needs more money the only place they can get it is from the player(s). So the little man pulls his lever so that the drop number misses your bets & allowing another winner for the casino.

[ati]

You might be right, I don't know. The thing is, I can't get use to the live wheel because of its slowness. With rng, I can play >200 spins/hour. I really did use 1-3 cent units, and I averaged 30 euro/day profit, with a maximum of 3 hours of play. It would be impossible with a live game, and the most important thing is, I did not have to wager much to achieve this win rate. For live play I would probably need a lot more time and a bigger roll. I can't afford to deposit 5-6k, that's a yearly wage here.

[ausguy]

Ati - You have conflicting pathways here.    1. You have an affordable RNG betting play that was winning but has since been losing. 2. You have an income structure that may be 6 to 10 times less than some Euro countries (eg Germany, France, Holland) ? 3. For live play you may or may not need more time & yes the bank roll would need to be bigger but heaps less than the 5 - 6k you suggest ?

As it would seem that 30 Euro WON per day x 5 days = 150pw x 52 =7,800, probably more than adequate for your part of the World ? As your bank roll builds your options expand.

As an example playing at Live Dealer Party Casino on an even chance or dbl doz &/or col. strategy (or some others) you only need 15 (x2 Euro min.) NET wins to have 30 Euro profit. Say your strike rate is about 50% (the spins are around 1 per min.) Then 30 min. gives you 30 Euro (obviously only if you win).

A basic Marty on Partys 2,000 limit could give you up to 10 bet levels & 1,534 needed = total risk & req'd BR. Wind it back to L7 needs 254 & L8 510. As you've already mentioned losing 400 Euro then L7 or L8 should be in your affordability zone ?

The main thing that you need to consider is to unlock your single focus/single play game that you now have & test/try some other plays. Even baccarat or almost even chance sports betting (92 - 95% returns), either odd or even final scores (bet provider search req'd, I use IASbet) such as NBA USA basketball comp. or the heads or tails coin toss in some cricket games.

If you don't change then nothing changes. The final option to 100% stop your losses is to NOT PLAY at all. Then that's nothing risked nothing gained & back to your pre bet life.

[ati]

I started to test live play with playmoney at supercasino.com. If anyone have a better idea where to play, please let me know. Dublinbet is no good because of the 30 minute limit.
I'm in Eastern EU by the way, and I'm fortunate enough to make a little more since I sometimes work in Germany. I just don't want anyone to think I'm a broke gambler.

[ausguy]

Ati - The best casino, I've found, to test on is Smart Live Casino. The free play is linked to the same money bet wheel & they give you 1,000 play money to play with.

I don't think they have any time limit, I've tested there for ages in the past ? The spins are slow at one per 2 minutes because of the extra phone betting option which is seen on Skychannel TV.  A big help is the recent spins history of 185 results. The dealers/presenters talk a lot, keep your sound low & that's ok.

I have an account with them & they pay out with no dramas (3 business days) as long as your IDs are OK.

Maybe not a broke gambler ati but certainly a lot of emotion/anger going off your earlier posts. Being pizzzd off all too often can affect your bet choices. Sticking to your bet plan/sheet can help self discipline & in play calmness.

[ati]

Thanks for tip. I know I have tilt issues and I'm trying to work on that. I'm glad this time it wasn't my fault I lost my roll. I mean I didn't lose because I suddenly started betting with 10-20 euros. I steadily increased my bets to cover losses until I couldn't place a new bet. I didn't think a number would sleep for 300 spins. I wasn't angry while playing but I was very nervous when I saw that I can only place 15 more bets and I'm done.

[ati]

Wow, I think I had my first misclick, and I got very lucky. I didn't hit for a while, and with progression, my bet has grown quite big. After I hit, I clicked rebet to see again how big my bet was, then I wanted to click  clear, but I accidentally clicked spin....and the last number repeated.

[ati]

I just had an idea of playing EC's, jumped right into real money to test it on colors, but BV can always make fun of me. 
Luckily I didn't use progression, so it's not disastrous.

[ausguy]

There was a Wesley Snipes older movie on the TV the other night, PASSENGER 57.

The line he says in the flick always cracks me up = "ALWAYS BET ON BLACK".

He certainly would have cleaned up if playing the numbers on that marquee.

[Azim]

I just had an idea of playing EC's, jumped right into real money to test it on colors, but BV can always make fun of me. 
Luckily I didn't use progression, so it's not disastrous.

This is very very very common on BV.  I have noticed that.

I have also noticed after tracking about 150 to 200 spins, if you have a streak like that wait and you will get a streak of reds.
If you don't get a streak of REDS  you will get another BLACK streak and then RED.
They will alternate with that streak. Question is when?
BTW. Its not only with RED/BLACK  its all EVEN CHANCES.

I had noticed that on BV a while back and now after tracking about 500/600 spins in a session it is becoming a normal trend for their software, just have to wait it out and exploit on it.

[ati]

Do you think online casinos would go out of business, if they let people set daily stop loss, or maximum bet per spin/hand?
I used to play poker online for years, and the biggest rooms let me set deposit limits, maximum buy in limits. I also have a program that tracks my play, and can be set to shut me down if I reach a preset stop loss or win. When that happens, the program cannot be deleted or stopped, and it won't let me play no matter what I do. That's a great advantage for the player.
I'm just thinking about this, because I always have a little fear that my next session will be the inevitable loss. I'm scared to lose, even if I'm winning, and that's because I know when I'm losing, I'm not scared to bet my entire roll. I'm sure there are many many players in the same shoes.