Holy Grail By Winkel.

[winkel]

is there another tracker than the konfused one?
it seems, this tracker does not play as winkel explained. i tested it and it tanks.
or are you tracking by hand?
why is the tracker sometimes just predicting 4 numbers?
regards, max

Hi,

The tracker is bound to ironclad rules. When you open the tracker all rules are linked. Just read the html-page.
Also use the box that asks for "Double-crossing" yes or no to bet!

That will give you an idea of what and when to bet or not.

I use trac4.exe only

why is the tracker sometimes just predicting 4 numbers?

If you don´t see or understand read all explanation what crossings are.

[RFMAXX]

i will...

better learning the basics first...as always. thank you.

[Azim]

Winkel,

Would you have played this any different>

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll -  -      37  0  0  0  0                                                                    0 1  1      36  1            2  2      35  2            3  0      34  3            4  1      34  2  1  1      5  6      33  3  1  1      6 19      32  4  1  1      7 14      31  5  1  1      8 27      30  6  1  1      9 36      29  7  1  1      10 33      28  8  1  1      11 21      27  9  1  1      12 12      26 10  1  1      13 18      25 11  1  1      14 33      25 10  2  2      15 22      24 11  2  2      16 29      23 12  2  2      17 33      23 12  2  1  1  18 14      23 11  3  2  1  19 10      22 12  3  2  1  20 20      21 13  3  2  1  21 34      20 14  3  2  1  22  1      20 14  3  1  2  23  5      19 15  3  1  2  24 28      18 16  3  1  2  25 18      18 15  4  2  2  =2: 14 18                                                  2     -2 26  3 L    17 16  4  2  2  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -19 27 18 L    17 16  4  1  3  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -36 28 12 L    17 15  5  2  3                                                                  -36 29 10      17 14  6  3  3  =2: 10 12 14                                               3    -39 30  0 L    17 13  7  4  3  =2:  0 10 12 14                                            4    -43 31  2 L    17 12  8  5  3                                                                  -43 32 16      16 13  8  5  3  33 21      16 12  9  6  3  34 21      16 12  9  5  4  =2:  0  2 10 12 14                                         5    -48 35 32 L    15 13  9  5  4  =2:  0  2 10 12 14                                         5    -53 36  6 L    15 12 10  6  4                                                                  -53 37 18      15 12 10  6  4  38 31      14 13 10  6  4  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35             14    -67 39 36 L    14 12 11  7  4  =1:  3  5 16 19 20 22 27 28 29 31 32 34                   12    -79 40 19 W    14 11 12  8  4                                                                  -43 41 33      14 11 12  8  4  42  8      13 12 12  8  4  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35                13    -56 43 30 W    12 13 12  8  4  =1:  3  5  8 16 20 22 27 28 29 30 31 32 34                13    -33 44 28 W    12 12 13  9  4  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12     -9 45  6 L    12 12 13  8  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12    -21 46 34 L    12 11 14  9  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12    -33 47 17 W    11 12 14  9  5                                                                   +3 48 15      10 13 14  9  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 23 24 25 26 35                         10     -7 49 36 L    10 13 14  8  6                                                                   -7 50 31      * End of Session

[jarabo002]

Hi to everybody

I am searching for the RX code of this system made by boatran but I cant find it.

¿Could you help me?

Thanks

[ugly bob]

we use some information to minimize the need for luck.

let´s play with some statistics:

between spin 38 and 50 we have about 4 unhit numbers to hit (average).

in spin 40 you have a crossing for the unhit numbers. you know there are about 4 hits left to for the unhit but you have 10 spins left for the 50 spin-round.
you have a chance of 40% that you get your hit. maybe a little bit risky.

in spin 47 you have a crossing for the unhit numbers. you know there are 2 hits left for the unhit and you have 3 spins left for the 50 spin-round.
you have a chance of 66% to hit the bet.
if you lose the first bet you know there are 2 hits left for the unhit and 2 hits left for the 50 spin-round. if the crossing is still there it can be a good moment to bet.

no question you can lose the bets but the statistic average is on your side. this raises your winning percentage and decreases the ultimate need for luck.

Good thinking Interstate89!

I more or less was thinking along similar lines.

The second cycle of spins from 38 to 74 can provide us with some clues.

We know there is an average of 12 numbers left still to appear after 37 spins.

This then comes down to around 4 at the 74 spin mark. But what I notice is that you often get a quick a burst of those 12 remaining numbers appearing before the last 4 or so tend to drag their heels. The quick burst tends to happen around spins 50-60.

So how can we use this info?

I find any 2>3 crossings can work well (just betting a few numbers) from around the 38 spin to 50 spin mark. Then the 0>1 crossing can work well in that burst between spins 50 to 60. And finally go back hunting for the 1>2's and 2>3's around the 60 to 74 spin mark.

It's not an exact science by any means but I can understand what Winkel means by using 'gamblers intelligence' to navigate through the spins.

[RouletteMaster]

25 18      18 15  4  2  2  =2: 14 18                                                  2     -2
26  3 L    17 16  4  2  2  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -19
27 18 L    17 16  4  1  3  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -36

You have started playing a crossing. Why not complete it. I would play this crossing for 18 spins.  It would give me +32 instead of -36

This is the only one i would have played differently

[winkel]

Winkel,

Would you have played this any different>

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll ... 25 18      18 15  4  2  2  =2: 14 18                                                  2     -2 26  3 L    17 16  4  2  2  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -19 27 18 L    17 16  4  1  3  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -36 28 12 L    17 15  5  2  3                                                                  -36 29 10      17 14  6  3  3  =2: 10 12 14                                               3    -39 30  0 L    17 13  7  4  3  =2:  0 10 12 14                                            4    -43 31  2 L    17 12  8  5  3                                                                  -43

How big have your losses to be that you jump away from this trot?

[Azim]

Winkel,

I was under the impression, if we lose the same crossing twice in a row that's when we jump, or do we jump when we lose any 2 crossings in a row?

[vundarosa]

as always.

nobody wnats to know the grail

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maybe because some (many?) of us are still trying to understand what GUT is? 
my ISP won't allow to open the links, so i can only hope a grateous soul would post snipets of what the theory is so i can at least try to understand....untill then i keep watching on the thread 

vundarosa

[Azim]

Go to VLSRoulette.com.

On the home page. Go under sections and look for winkel's way.  When you find it..  The topic heading you want to read is called the holy gral or gut

[vundarosa]

Go to VLSRoulette.com.

On the home page. Go under sections and look for winkel's way.  When you find it..  The topic heading you want to read is called the holy grail or gut

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found it. thx

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

80 pages to go throught 

vundarosa

[winkel]

Winkel,

I was under the impression, if we lose the same crossing twice in a row that's when we jump, or do we jump when we lose any 2 crossings in a row?

This is a good example: When do we have to stop the game?

Every trot may have its own flow. If I bet and the bet misses and I select a next bet and lose again. What does that tell?
Either I´m on bad trot, so I jump.
Or my decisions are wrong. so I jump, because I can´t follow the flow of that trot.

There is never a right or wrong decision. There are good decisions and bad. If I´m on bad I have to stop.

[vundarosa]

Winkel,

I was under the impression, if we lose the same crossing twice in a row that's when we jump, or do we jump when we lose any 2 crossings in a row?

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not as i understood it,  it would depend of how many numbers you're betting

say  "17 to 13 numbers - we bet twice
12 to 10 - we bet three times
9 to 8 - we bet four times"
and so on

but take me with a grain of salt as i'm just on page 4 

vundarosa

[vundarosa]

Winkel,

I was under the impression, if we lose the same crossing twice in a row that's when we jump, or do we jump when we lose any 2 crossings in a row?

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also Azim, you would continue betting the specified number of times ONLY if it remains a possible crossing

nb
x    10    14    13    bet 14 Nbs      
x    9    15    13    loss    -14 -->even thou 14nbs can be bet 2x, no betting b/c no longer possible crossing
x    9    14    14    bet 14 Nbs       
x    8    15    14    loss    -14-->bet second time b/c still a possible crossing bet 15 N
x    8    14    15    won    21   

vundarosa

[foogus]

Winkel,

Would you have played this any different>

Sp Nm W/L  =0 =1 >1 =2 >2  Adv bet                                                    =  BRoll -  -      37  0  0  0  0                                                                    0 1  1      36  1            2  2      35  2            3  0      34  3            4  1      34  2  1  1      5  6      33  3  1  1      6 19      32  4  1  1      7 14      31  5  1  1      8 27      30  6  1  1      9 36      29  7  1  1      10 33      28  8  1  1      11 21      27  9  1  1      12 12      26 10  1  1      13 18      25 11  1  1      14 33      25 10  2  2      15 22      24 11  2  2      16 29      23 12  2  2      17 33      23 12  2  1  1  18 14      23 11  3  2  1  19 10      22 12  3  2  1  20 20      21 13  3  2  1  21 34      20 14  3  2  1  22  1      20 14  3  1  2  23  5      19 15  3  1  2  24 28      18 16  3  1  2  25 18      18 15  4  2  2  =2: 14 18                                                  2     -2 26  3 L    17 16  4  2  2  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -19 27 18 L    17 16  4  1  3  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 16 17 23 24 25 26 30 31 32 35    17    -36 28 12 L    17 15  5  2  3                                                                  -36 29 10      17 14  6  3  3  =2: 10 12 14                                               3    -39 30  0 L    17 13  7  4  3  =2:  0 10 12 14                                            4    -43 31  2 L    17 12  8  5  3                                                                  -43 32 16      16 13  8  5  3  33 21      16 12  9  6  3  34 21      16 12  9  5  4  =2:  0  2 10 12 14                                         5    -48 35 32 L    15 13  9  5  4  =2:  0  2 10 12 14                                         5    -53 36  6 L    15 12 10  6  4                                                                  -53 37 18      15 12 10  6  4  38 31      14 13 10  6  4  =0:  4  7  8  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35             14    -67 39 36 L    14 12 11  7  4  =1:  3  5 16 19 20 22 27 28 29 31 32 34                   12    -79 40 19 W    14 11 12  8  4                                                                  -43 41 33      14 11 12  8  4  42  8      13 12 12  8  4  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 30 35                13    -56 43 30 W    12 13 12  8  4  =1:  3  5  8 16 20 22 27 28 29 30 31 32 34                13    -33 44 28 W    12 12 13  9  4  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12     -9 45  6 L    12 12 13  8  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12    -21 46 34 L    12 11 14  9  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 15 17 23 24 25 26 35                   12    -33 47 17 W    11 12 14  9  5                                                                   +3 48 15      10 13 14  9  5  =0:  4  7  9 11 13 23 24 25 26 35                         10     -7 49 36 L    10 13 14  8  6                                                                   -7 50 31      * End of Session

I studied and used Winkel's GUT for a number of years back when it was first being written about. Alarian's Tracker 022B and Track4 were the main trackers I used and had a very good run.  Unforunately ill health stopped me gambling for quite a while and I have only just got back into it.

Azim I would have played it the way it has been played there with a stop-loss of 100 units.  I have seen so many sessions dip into the red big time then suddenly come out of or close to it near the end of the session.

Winkel, I have thanked you before in the past on other boards, but I will again thank you for this gift you have bestowed on us.  It is very unfortunate that not everyone sees it for what it is if they put in the time.