Holy Grail By Winkel.

[falkor]

I guess winkel's system will be my next project.... a lot of reverse engineering to do over that 80 page topic. Somebody who posted in the earlier pages of this topic has made the task somewhat easier (re-attached below).

First thing that comes to mind - though I haven't really thought about it deeply enough - is if you have a snapshot of a graph/tracker log (as well as past spin data) at the point where all these lines are crossing, can you go back in time to the last 20 or so spins to see how the graph initially looked when the red line (unhit) and the pink line (hit) were at 37 and 0, respectively? If that concept is true, as I imagine it might be, then I should be able to script "multiple" graphs happening simultaneously so that bets can be placed each and every spin to increase profits - should the system really work in the long run, that is.

[Turner]

TwoCatSam did some videos and lots of study.

[Rewster88]

I will study the GUT more and post some results later.

Where did twocatsam go? i liked his video explanations.

Maybe its an idea to start with a 600 unit BR an devide this in 150 unit playsessions and try to aim for 39+ units and then stop/change table.

grtzz R

[falkor]

I tried to view those videos, but never saw a single one, since he never uploaded any to Youtube AFAIK. They have all expired now.

[ugly bob]

Have you seen this one Falkor.

T4 Tutorial 1

It was right at the bottom and Sam is explaining how he uses Droidman's tracker.

It might give some more insights into what he was doing.

There is this one and a second tutorial. (both around 30 mins)

[ugly bob]

These two tutorials are very good from Sam for anybody trying to get their head around the GUT methodology.

You have to laugh at the second video. Sam is playing live at what looks like a really dodgy casino.

The dealer spins the ball with just a little push and the ball only goes around the wheel about three times.    I remember thinking years ago that I wouldn't fancy my chances playing there.

[falkor]

Thanks Bob - that's perfect - just what I was looking for! Do you know if there was a topic somewhere about GUT that was longer than the 80 page one?

[Turner]

Do you know if there was a topic somewhere about GUT that was longer than the 80 page one?

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

Some classic Xander/Snowman post disruptions to endure (Herb)

[ugly bob]

Falkor, there is not a lot on GUT apart from VLS and what's here. I checked out some of the German forums because I though they might be some discussions there, but nothing that I can find.


edit:  I got some maths wrong in a point I was trying to make. My mistake. 

[MrG]

Falkor, there is not a lot on GUT apart from VLS and what's here. I checked out some of the German forums because I though they might be some discussions there, but nothing that I can find.


edit:  I got some maths wrong in a point I was trying to make. My mistake. 

I think Winkel mentioned somewhere that GUT is only part of big system that he has. And that the whole system is explained on some german forum. I also think he provided link to the forum with his system.

[Tamino]

WHO   has ever played this  system in  a   very  busy   B & M  Casino at a croupier  attented wheel.  .

Tamino

[falkor]

I watched both the TwoCatSam videos, but am not really liking this system at all. You could be waiting all day for a crossing even if they are "in sight". And I think you could be waiting days for a crossing of >2,>3. Crossings are guaranteed - sure - but there's no timescales as to when they will cross.

[falkor]

Does anyone know roughly when a session ends on GUT? Do all crossings cease after a certain event? How can you tell when there are no more crossing to pursue? Or is this determined by some other stop loss/stop win method?

[winkel]

... the gut is and was never a very clear method it seems always as i call it a " foggy" method with no clear rules and explanation. .... I believe it can be one of the best systems on the internet if you can make some good rules and money management on it. Same as the granpaaa's way. Did test it few times and was shocked how the numbers hit time after time.

Grtzz R

To All,

If "wait for a crossing and bet on it" is a foggy rule, I can+t help.

every other day day someone appears and blames it being stupid. So what?

I gave such a lot of explanations and examples when and what to do. Who is able to read an to understand will gain from it.

as I said: it needs gambler´s intelligence. No program is able to have it, not yet!

What do you wanna hear?
- it passed 355 million spins with a profit of 500 million units?
- it passed  10 000 spins with a profit of one unit?
- it passed 300 000 spins with a loss of 10 units?

What will all these answers tell you?
Which Answer will make you play this strategy?
which answer will make you understand even the basics?
which answer will make you win?

only this will give you any usable message: Read, learn, try to understand, look what is going on. And then test it, test it, test it over and over again. I you get the idea behind it, you will have it.

If you want a free strategy with a bot and starting bankroll 1ct always winning never losing nor going in a bad streak then just leave this alone.

I never forced anyone to follow it or to play it. I even said, there are streaks where you can´t read or follow the spins.
So don´t judged something you didn´t understand.

[winkel]

Does anyone know roughly when a session ends on GUT?
if there is no crossing there is no bet.

Do all crossings cease after a certain event?

not a certain but they will

How can you tell when there are no more crossing to pursue? Or is this determined by some other stop loss/stop win method?

if there are 2unhit and 2onehit left are you sure you wanna wait until that state or better start a new game before that happens?