Holy Grail By Winkel.

[winkel]

... but there's something very deceptive about your posts over the past 6 years: you do not appear to have been honest to us or to yourself. Even my German friends who checked out your posts on roulette-forum.de suspect you.

I can continue to implement this and you can continue with your vague rhetorical replies, but I think you have to accept that 6 years has been wasted? Facing reality is a hard thing to do - even if it shatters a 6 year held belief - but it's better than carrying on, living a lie. This German professor who beat roulette with 5 systems is not really you, winkel! You are living a false reality, so please stop pretending.

Hey falkor,

If you don´t like my strategy and if you don´t believe me and if you rely on your friends who read about this in a german forum where I never wrote about this - hey do so.  I don´t mind.

In these 6 years I heard so often that this is not a winner because it was tested with other than my rules and hints and it lost due to "wrong" programmings.

nobody except TwoCatSam did a real testing trying to understand what I meant by GambleresIntelligence and "look what is going on"

who can get it gets it. who can let it lets it.

so have fun with all the other ideas that come along your way

and be sure: I´m living in reality and i´m not pretending anything. I´m proofing it nearly every day what I found and show how to play with all ups and downs.

br
winkel

[falkor]

In these 6 years I heard so often that this is not a winner because it was tested with other than my rules and hints and it lost due to "wrong" programmings.

You can continue to make these claims against people attempting to test your system. But your system is nothing more than several tweaks based around the concept of crossings; one of your tweaks would be this "Gambler's Intelligence" part:

nobody except TwoCatSam did a real testing trying to understand what I meant by GambleresIntelligence and "look what is going on"

From what I can gather this is nothing more than knowing when to end a session/walk away, "jump back" or respond to good/bad "waves" that are not following the binominal distribution as you see it (I know you would like to pull the wool over people's eyes and assume something more mystical is happening here).

So what you are doing is creating deliberate confusion by:

1) Failing to provide clear enough instructions on how to handle certain situations relating to "Gambler's Intelligence" - mixing clear instructions with "foggy" instructions.
2) Criticising people who test your system but without using "Gambler's Intelligence"
3) Failure to publish your own test results and be completely transparent.

"Gambler's Intelligence" is nonsense! There's only one way to handle each and every situation, otherwise you would not have been able program it yourself over 10 million spins:

It is already tested over 10 000 000 spins. otherwise I wouldn´t call it the Grail

I tested it over 10 000 000 spins and played it since 2 years.
I wouldn´t say it is the Grail if it wasn't.

In roulette you can't win a fortune. The "Grail" has to be defined as "Not loosing and keeping your starting-bankroll alive"
I play this for 2 years on lasseters with starting bankroll of 50 Euros. this bankroll has been saved and never ever been touched again. From the winnings I formed a second bankroll with which I play. I don't balance every game. Sometimes I serve the gambler in me and bet senseless like hell till my bankroll is down to minimum 50Euros.

I tested it with over 10 000 000 spins and it gave an result in Plus!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I don't have to proof it is working. YOU have to proof that it isn't and you will fail and find a winning strategy.

By the way: in Germany they call me Professor Plein. You can learn roulette from me.

I don´t ask people to believe this. I give them the chance to test it and see what comes out.

I've played all crossings in one range and proven that the concept of "crossings" is no holy grail. Winkel has a lot of extra layers on top of that concept - together with 2-3 additional ranges - but the system itself is nothing more than a game concocted by winkel.

[Turner]

Falkor

GUTs been around since Adam was a lad and all Q&A is somewhere from VLS 2009 to here and now.

Lets not get into wars of words.

I was only thinking the other day how creative CC was getting recently.

If GUT winds you up and you dont believe Winkel, move on.

[Azim]

So what you are doing is creating deliberate confusion by:

1) Failing to provide clear enough instructions on how to handle certain situations relating to "Gambler's Intelligence" - mixing clear instructions with "foggy" instructions.
2) Criticising people who test your system but without using "Gambler's Intelligence"
3) Failure to publish your own test results and be completely transparent.

"Gambler's Intelligence" is nonsense! There's only one way to handle each and every situation, otherwise you would not have been able program it yourself over 10 million spins:





I've played all crossings in one range and proven that the concept of "crossings" is no holy grail. Winkel has a lot of extra layers on top of that concept - together with 2-3 additional ranges - but the system itself is nothing more than a game concocted by winkel.

Sorry to say this to you. You are not living in a world were you expect people to spoon feed you.

This is a strategy that's not easy to follow. However, what's easy to follow is reading the 1200 pages which is a printout of the whole original thread and making your own point's. As you making your points, you will understand the strategy behind Winkel's work.

It's not a simple strategy to tell some one when you have this you do this or that. If you going to wait for someone to tell you that, read the original post and look at the possible combinations that can come about in a span of 37 spins.

I am very positive that this is not a strategy that can be programmed easily. Asking someone else to program it for you will cost you an arm and a leg.

This thread has provided a lot of tools for people to learn the strategy and understand it.

This strategy will not make you millions in a day, however I can assure you it will win you a decent amount in the long run.

People have seen my video's with this strategy working using a bot. BTW, the bot is not for sale.

Bottom line you have to look at a specific crossing and decide based on what has happened so far what are the chances of the crossing to cross? If you can't decide don't bet, you will save your bankroll.

According to Winkel's stats that he has provided, there is enough evidence that this is a winning system in the long run by just flat betting. If you are asking Winkel, to provide more evidence, all i have to say to you is:

PROVIDE WINKEL YOUR TEST RESULTS AND I AM SURE HE WILL CORRECT YOU.  OH YEAH, I HAVEN'T DONE THE TEST MYSELF. SO HOW CAN I PROVIDE HIM SOMETHING TO COMMENT ON.

You going to reply, anyone can do that once you know the outcome.

Well here is the solution to that:

Provide the number's and calculation till the crossing. Hold the number's after the crossing. wait for Winkel to comment and see it for your self.

As long as you going to be honest with yourself and the rest of the forum, you will see the outcome.

Not only for you, I am sure Winkel will do it for anyone.

I personally, don't think he has held anything back in regards to stats or evidence.

Good luck to you.

[winkel]

You can continue to make these claims against people attempting to test your system. But your system is nothing more than several tweaks based around the concept of crossings;

and all the other claimed winning systems don´t use tweaks?

and my strategy isn´t tweaked at all. it simply says: find a crossing and bet on it. and it´s said from beginning and has never been changed or tweaked

one of your tweaks would be this "Gambler's Intelligence" part:
From what I can gather this is nothing more than knowing when to end a session/walk away, "jump back" or respond to good/bad "waves"

to detect these situations you have to use some intelligent decisions, don´t you? If you can program KI, do it!

that are not following the binominal distribution as you see it (I know you would like to pull the wool over people's eyes and assume something more mystical is happening here).
here begins the general misunderstanding. I never refused to answer any question or to help people nor did I ever talk about secrets or any myth things.

everything follows the distribution and its sigma. There are winning streaks and losing streaks. What problem do you have me giving hints how to devide one from the other?

So what you are doing is creating deliberate confusion by: Ask questions that haven´t been answered several times in the last years and you will get clear answers. I´didn´t present this to confuse people.

1) Failing to provide clear enough instructions on how to handle certain situations relating to "Gambler's Intelligence" - mixing clear instructions with "foggy" instructions.
give examples
2) Criticising people who test your system but without using "Gambler's Intelligence"
when you think you can beat the roulette without detecting whether you are on a winning or losing streak, then you have to live with this fantasy
3) Failure to publish your own test results and be completely transparent.
you can read my results in every example I gave and there are many. for example my actual Plein-Battle on DC-Campus.net. So give examples: where haven´t I been transparent(very mystic phrase). And: Who are  your friends in that german forum? (very mystic)

"Gambler's Intelligence" is nonsense!

That tells all: Intelligence is nonsense! 

There's only one way to handle each and every situation, there are always two ways to decide and always a third possibility

otherwise you would not have been able program it yourself over 10 million spins:

as you quoted I repeated my claimes. Be lucky to have found a claim you can hang my strategy and myself

I've played all crossings in one range and proven that the concept of "crossings" is no holy grail. Winkel has a lot of extra layers on top of that concept - together with 2-3 additional ranges - but the system itself is nothing more than a game concocted by winkel.

If your last statement has any right to be existing, then every posted strategy/system in this and all other forums are concocted. so you bash nearly every member here who tries to be constructiv and contributes his/hers ideas.
And don´t forget if I where that kind you are describing me, I had it sold.

[falkor]

Sorry to say this to you. You are not living in a world were you expect people to spoon feed you.

This is a strategy that's not easy to follow. However, what's easy to follow is reading the 1200 pages which is a printout of the whole original thread and making your own point's. As you making your points, you will understand the strategy behind Winkel's work.

What makes you think I haven't read all 80 pages of that thread?

It's not a simple strategy to tell some one when you have this you do this or that. If you going to wait for someone to tell you that, read the original post and look at the possible combinations that can come about in a span of 37 spins.

I am very positive that this is not a strategy that can be programmed easily. Asking someone else to program it for you will cost you an arm and a leg.

This thread has provided a lot of tools for people to learn the strategy and understand it.

This strategy will not make you millions in a day, however I can assure you it will win you a decent amount in the long run.

People have seen my video's with this strategy working using a bot. BTW, the bot is not for sale.

If winkel can play the strategy and you can learn it then somebody can program it - unless this is all one elaborate hoax/delusion on either of your parts!

Bottom line you have to look at a specific crossing and decide based on what has happened so far what are the chances of the crossing to cross? If you can't decide don't bet, you will save your bankroll.

And that's looking at good/bad "waves", right? My testing showed a crossing failed 8 times in a row, and you believe you have the ability to look at the opening "wave" of that session to know not to bet on the crossing in the first place?

According to Winkel's stats that he has provided, there is enough evidence that this is a winning system in the long run by just flat betting. If you are asking Winkel, to provide more evidence, all i have to say to you is:

PROVIDE WINKEL YOUR TEST RESULTS AND I AM SURE HE WILL CORRECT YOU.  OH YEAH, I HAVEN'T DONE THE TEST MYSELF. SO HOW CAN I PROVIDE HIM SOMETHING TO COMMENT ON.

I personally, don't think he has held anything back in regards to stats or evidence.

I already posted my test results; winkel has boasted several times about his, but never posted them once because it's doubtful they even exist.

[falkor]

nice try, winkel: you did get a lot of attention over the years and you did answer a lot of questions, but there's plenty of questions you evaded simply because you are not genuine and sincere, but have an agenda.

there are always two ways to decide and always a third possibility

Your system is full of many contradictions like the above. Again, if you don't know the single best option to take then how can you test 10 million spins? You going to tell me you have a special robot that runs on AI?

it simply says: find a crossing and bet on it.

Unfortunately, all the work you did on graphs and fancy spread sheets was a waste of time. This simple concept is the reason your system begun and failed at the foundation level - before you wrapped it up inside layers of propaganda and deceit. You can't chase your losses when you are this much stuck in the mud, and you can't chase a losing system that never worked in the first place.

I don't know how many more years winkel is going to keep peddling this fantasy. It's certainly the most read topic in the history of roulette, yet its one with a system that only ever had 1-2 people using it. So who really benefits from all this time wasting and lost cause? Answer: people who need their ego fed.

[Azim]

nice try, winkel: you did get a lot of attention over the years and you did answer a lot of questions, but there's plenty of questions you evaded simply because you are not genuine and sincere, but have an agenda.
Your system is full of many contradictions like the above. Again, if you don't know the single best option to take then how can you test 10 million spins? You going to tell me you have a special robot that runs on AI?
Unfortunately, all the work you did on graphs and fancy spread sheets was a waste of time. This simple concept is the reason your system begun and failed at the foundation level - before you wrapped it up inside layers of propaganda and deceit. You can't chase your losses when you are this much stuck in the mud, and you can't chase a losing system that never worked in the first place.

I don't know how many more years winkel is going to keep peddling this fantasy. It's certainly the most read topic in the history of roulette, yet its one with a system that only ever had 1-2 people using it. So who really benefits from all this time wasting and lost cause? Answer: people who need their ego fed.

I am sure you are the one, that's causing the all the attention.

BTW, What makes me think, you haven't read the 80 pages. YOU ASK THE SAME STUPID QUESTION THAT HAS BEEN ANSWERED IN 80 PAGES. OVER AND OVER.

Anyways, like Turner said, if you don't think this is a working strategy, let it go.

However, I can bet my money that this is a winning system.

I can play it on an electronic wheel at the casino, never mind online.

However, I am not saying it's an easy system to play. You have to have a lot of practice in reading the numbers right.

I am once again not bragging, but numbers are in my blood. So maybe maybe, that's why it's easy for me to follow it.

In respect to your 8 losses on the same crossing. Can you provide us the tested number's and lets see?
On the other hand, if you have read all 80 pages, there is a hint as to what Winkel has suggested to do in that scenerio, if that happens?
Let's see if you can come back and answer your own question to prove everyone that you have read the 80 pages or are you going to post your test to get an easy answer form us?

[Azim]

I have seen Winkel`s posts   many years ago  at the  Paroli  forum.  His methods stank then and   still do,   

Commoin sense  dictates a  betting option. 

Too much smoke  about this cat  but no fire

I am sorry to say this to you. It has to be common sense, which is right, common sense comes from avoiding your past mistakes. However, if you can't remember your past mistakes, how can you correct them? (Take an example of learning to walk, if you didn't correct yourself you wouldn't be walking now would you?) THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN A BAD EXAMPLE BUT NO HARM INTENDED.

All systems are based on common sense, this one just needs an extra notch to fulfill its prophecy.

[Turner]

TAKE 2   please read carefully.

To all

Lets not get into wars of words.

[falkor]

Last post from me on this topic:

Since Professor winkel is so intelligent and comes from Germany where many of the greatest inventors/pioneers resided, why can't he post a link to the 10 million spin results in whatever form - yet he can do fancy spread sheets and graphs and beat roulette using 5 systems where all other systems have failed? Not only that, but he demands that we should test his system instead and that we "will find it to be a winning system"; well I've done that to some extent and found the contrary to be true. OR - winkel will say:

But even if I send the program and the verified Permanences you would find a argument to be suspicious.

That way he has an excuse never to post the results should they exist - he's covered himself from having his great lie exposed from every angle. So unless he does post that data nobody in their right minds should be expected to believe such lies and propaganda! Again I would recommend all members reading this do not waste their time trawling through the 80 page topic or responding to winkel. Do not fall inside the trap and become one of his victims. It goes without saying: without observing valid evidence do not believe what winkel or anyone else tells you! If you do then you are just a fool and easily brainwashed; agreed?

Remember: there is no evidence to back up Winkel's G.U.T/Holy Grail. The only evidence seen at the time of writing is that - in the long run - it chips away at your bankroll and is nothing more than a grandiose game within a game. Exercise caution!

If this system is still around in 20 years time then - heaven forbid - my efforts would have failed, and it may end up as a new gospel. But just remember: I'm only the 2nd person to test it outside of winkel's cult - and we both came to similar conclusions: small percentage of loss in the long run (based on house advantage). 6 YEARS!!! OK, guys, you are on your own now!

[winkel]

I already posted my test results;

Where did this happen? Sorry if I missed them

[winkel]

hi falkor,

I don´t really get what you are complaining about?

Maybe I´m stupid, but whats your problem with it? Why do you hate me? Am I worse than any scammer on the forums all oveer the world?
Did I ask for money? Did I brainwash you or any other one? if so please tell me whom, where, when and how?

I will follow your posts and see which system you will find which is not a waste of time and money.

And I never did attack you personally. Did you be so kind to me?

[Azim]

Where did this happen? Sorry if I missed them

So did I. However, he sent me a personal message.

Here's a session with 7 losses in a row:
link:s://:.sendspace.com/file/9n4vrp

I don't want to be going and looking at things on my own.

Please post your crossing just like everyone else, so everyone can see it.

Like I said, I was sure you will give us the sessions for an easy way out and not read the 80 pages.

[Azim]

Is this the" Emporer`s  New Cloth " system. I checked post # 1   and all I  can see is an  unworkable link to a tracker.  But where is the beef?

Track WHAT.  Something that does not exist? Beam me up.

The squirrels  are having a field day. .

You have to remember this, neither Winkel or I own the site. I am sure the owner of the site can restore those links for you, if asked nicely.

He has done it for me before from other threads.

If Something didn't exist, I am sure I would have been banned from this site by now.