Holy Grail By Winkel.

[winkel]

Hi ati and nottophammer,

I gave up to convince anybody that this is working. It is a strategy you have to excercise.
It all depends on your decisions. The crossings just give the point where it is sensefull to make a decision.

That tracker looks nice, but it doesn´t give you all the informations you need. tracker4 is the best trycker available. But it cuts off informations as well.

br
winkel

[LuckoftheIrish]

Back in January, I created an Excel spreadsheet for the GUT method. 

I went through the 80 page G.U.T thread and took pages of notes on what Winkel said and some things he strongly hinted at.  I then made a revised list of rules to test, using these notes.  I only used the triggers of 0:1,1>1,2>2 and 3>3.  Here is the list of rules I used for the spreadsheet.

RULES:



1.            Bet more than 7 numbers and less than 18.



2.            17 to 13 numbers - we bet twice
               12 to 10 - we bet three times
               9 to 8 - we bet four times



3.            Don't bet same trigger position more than 2 times in a row.

                If the same trigger can be bet 3 times in a row, it is not bet and a new session is started.


4.            Always bet 0 vs. 1 crossing first.  If it is not the first to bet, start a new session.



5.            If the "0" v "1" crossing is before spin 25 start a new session.



6.            If there is no trigger for "0" vs. "1" before the 37th spin start a new session.



7.            Only play a trigger if it has 1 or 2 hits in the last 4 spins.



8.            Play 50 spin session maximum.



9.            Don't bet more than one trigger a spin.



10.         If difference between 0,1,>1 is less than 2, start a new session.

               Example: 11 12 11



11.         Start a new session on any net win.


I took care to try and make sure all of these rules were followed.

I ran 20 iterations of 5000 spins (so 100 000 RNG spins) and the end result was less than -1000 units.  I tested random.org spins, real spins etc and the result was always negative (either immediately or eventually).

[petespin]

hi i always respect members like mr winkel who giving to all of us a new point of view as has to do with this game , gut is a very good bet selection not the grail, but so close to be , by the way this system have discussed so much in the past, i dont think this happen wtih any other system, i have a suggestion as has to do with the gut , a an update if u like better , i wait for mr winkel statement and then i wll express my opinion best regards pete

[Azim]

I always wanted to give this a proper test, what's holding me back is that there is a GUT thread on basically every roulette forum, and apart from Azim and winkel, everyone says it doesn't work.
I wonder what happened to Azim, he couldn't convince anyone that this is indeed a profitable method, and he disappeared after the thread cooled down. I somewhat doubt he even plays this himself, but who knows, maybe he's milking the casinos.

Ati, I  am around. I have always been active on the forum around X-Mas time. That's when i have more time in my hands.

This is a winning strategy.  The question is back to everyone. In order to make this work for you you have to practice and learn from mistakes and your decisions.  If you look at my thread titled "Giving back"  I was heading in the same direction as Winkel has.

I am sure Winkel will accept this and I for sure will.

I have said this over and over on this thread..  To actually see how Winkel and I make this strategy a winner. Post all the spins with the work out and stop at a crossing, you think you want to play. I am sure, Winkel and I both will have different approach to the crossing.

When I say work out.. I mean this way...

-   -       37   0   0   0   0   0   0   0   0
1   36      36   1   1   0   0   0   0   0   0
2   9      35   2   2   0   0   0   0   0   0
3   32      34   3   3   0   0   0   0   0   0
4   29      33   4   4   0   0   0   0   0   0
5   5      32   5   5   0   0   0   0   0   0
6   24      31   6   6   0   0   0   0   0   0
7   17      30   7   7   0   0   0   0   0   0
8   12      29   8   8   0   0   0   0   0   0
9   28      28   9   9   0   0   0   0   0   0
10   23      27   10   10   0   0   0   0   0   0
11   30      26   11   11   0   0   0   0   0   0
12   11      25   12   12   0   0   0   0   0   0
13   35      24   13   13   0   0   0   0   0   0
14   7      23   14   14   0   0   0   0   0   0
15   35      23   14   13   1   1   0   0   0   0
16   15      22   15   14   1   1   0   0   0   0
17   18      21   16   15   1   1   0   0   0   0
18   26      20   17   16   1   1   0   0   0   0
19   14      19   18   17   1   1   0   0   0   0
20   26      19   18   16   2   2   0   0   0   0
21   16      18   19   17   2   2   0   0   0   0
22   12      18   19   16   3   3   0   0   0   0
23   25      17   20   17   3   3   0   0   0   0

At this point wait for a reply on the crossing and see the approach.


However, no one want's to do that. Everyone want's it to be laid out on a platter.

This strategy can not be laid out on a platter.

Yes. It can be done using a bot. However, you have to know the basic approach and program it.

If you can't make a decision manually, it can't be programmed.
It took me good 8-9 months to do what i had provided video with a bot playing.
Even Winkel pointed a mistake I knew it was there. I just wanted a quick and dirty approach.

Anyways. Back to the Winning part. It  boils down to how much do you want to practice and how much can you grasp and not repeat the same mistakes.

In one of the thread's Winkel said keep a diary, to remind yourself.

Anyways.  I have other commitments and can't come to the forum as often as I can during X-Max holidays.

[winkel]

I took care to try and make sure all of these rules were followed.

I ran 20 iterations of 5000 spins (so 100 000 RNG spins) and the end result was less than -1000 units.  I tested random.org spins, real spins etc and the result was always negative (either immediately or eventually).

Hi,

what about the rule"Watch what is going on"?

As KonFuSed tested every crossing and found out: It´s the same result in the long run -2,7, your coding couldn´t perform better than it did.

Everybody should consider: If I point out a rule like: If.... then.... (no matter how deep its structure will be) and we check that coding with a game of randomness, we will definitely get the results of Probability.

So what can we do? We use this law that all ends up at -2,7!
And we can see in the picture above: Every Line has to cross the other line(s)!

What we can do is to separate the losing crossings from the winning crossings. That´s not easy and not easy to code.

If you want a strategy explained, code it, buy a bot and get rich, then GUT is nothing you should care about.

br
winkel

[winkel]

...
22   12      18   19   16   3   3   0   0   0   0
23   25      17   20   17   3   3   0   0   0   0

At this point wait for a reply on the crossing and see the approach.

Hi Azim,

That is the way it should be done!

I would explain how I calculate and what I would do or not.

[LuckoftheIrish]

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[RouletteGhost]

no matter how hard i try

i dont get it

winkel if u held an internet seminar with video like a classroom id pay to learn....

[Azim]

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Your message got deleted.

Read the first page of this thread.

I have shown same number's played in 3 different ways of using this strategy.

Which is the right way?  I don't think any one can answer.   I for sure can't answer that. Winkel  might be able to not sure.

The only way to answer that, is keep tracking and learning from mistakes.

Once you learn from mistakes. You won't repeat them as often.  Jt's just like learning to walk, once you learnt it, it's hard to fall. However, had you not tried to learn to walk over and over, you would be still crawling.

[ati]

Is the invested time of understanding the system and practicing really worth it?  Do you, or anyone else make money with this system on a regular basis?
What are worst draw downs? Would I be able to make let's say, 100 units a day, without risking of losing a 1000?

To me, the whole idea of crossing looks the same as the idea of repeating. Sure the crossing WILL happen, but we don't know when. Maybe in the next spin, maybe 10 spins later.
I spend most of my time studying repeaters, but the problem is the same. I know it WILL happen, just can't tell when exactly. Based on 30 million rng spins, a number will repeat within 12 spins 86.4% of the time. It sounded like a great way to start, but I failed to create a wining system.
The problem is the usual, long losing streaks.
Sometimes there are no repeats within 12 spins for over 5 times in a row. Even with flat bet, that's a quick 500+ units draw down.

[Chris555p]

Ati - Very Interesting questions; However from my experience KISS applies to roulette as well;
the simpler is the system the easier / more effective it is to make $.....

[winkel]

Is the invested time of understanding the system and practicing really worth it?  Do you, or anyone else make money with this system on a regular basis?
What are worst draw downs? Would I be able to make let's say, 100 units a day, without risking of losing a 1000?

To me, the whole idea of crossing looks the same as the idea of repeating. Sure the crossing WILL happen, but we don't know when. Maybe in the next spin, maybe 10 spins later.
I spend most of my time studying repeaters, but the problem is the same. I know it WILL happen, just can't tell when exactly. Based on 30 million rng spins, a number will repeat within 12 spins 86.4% of the time. It sounded like a great way to start, but I failed to create a wining system.
The problem is the usual, long losing streaks.
Sometimes there are no repeats within 12 spins for over 5 times in a row. Even with flat bet, that's a quick 500+ units draw down.

Hi ati,

try this: Play your strategy on repeaters, but bet only when there is a crossing.

eg. F2 5 numbers F3 4 numbers, play for 8 or 9 times. when crossing diappears (like F2  6 and F3 4) stop betting.

[winkel]

Ati - Very Interesting questions; However from my experience KISS applies to roulette as well;
the simpler is the system the easier / more effective it is to make $.....

do you know any KISS-System that works?

[Chris555p]

Yes of course; For ex, Lanky's hg gives very good results imo.

[nottophammer]

A try with manuel import. BR of £85.00,won £19.00 for .20p units.  Might of took a chance in sheet circled with a 2,where the 2X's are, bet the none hit and the 2hit, Winkel is the recording right,thanks NTH