Holy Grail By Winkel.

[valnurat]

Sorry looks like I have missed something.
I will let someone else advice you.

Wow, very mature.

Strange forum.
I guess this thread is only for The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen

[valnurat]

Hi Azim

Yes, I'm new to forum and trying to learn the dos and don'ts.

But you are right. I'm on page 23 in the bible of the Holy Grail By Winkel. OMG this is hard, but I'm learning.

I do have a small question. When do you jump back 19 numbers?

I have from a game these numbers and I have been using the tracker from RayManZ, which is very nice.

I will post my numbers maybe you can tell me in what spin it was good to jump.

Sp   ##    0    1   >1    2   >2    3   >3
01   01   36   01
02   18   35   02
03   11   34   03
04   26   33   04
05   31   32   05
06   34   31   06
07   32   30   07
08   27   29   08
09   22   28   09
10   29   27   10
11   02   26   11
12   07   25   12
13   02   25   11   01   01
14   07   25   10   02   02
15   24   24   11   02   02
16   35   23   12   02   02
17   12   22   13   02   02
18   07   22   13   02   01   01   01
19   24   22   12   03   02   01   01
20   17   21   13   03   02   01   01
21   33   20   14   03   02   01   01
22   29   20   13   04   03   01   01
23   25   19   14   04   03   01   01      P19# R
24   20   18   15   04   03   01   01      W-19+36=+17
25   12   18   14   05   04   01   01
26   36   17   15   05   04   01   01
27   18   17   14   06   05   01   01
28   25   17   13   07   06   01   01
29   19   16   14   07   06   01   01
30   31   16   13   08   07   01   01
31   20   16   12   09   08   01   01
32   35   16   11   10   09   01   01      P11# 1
33   21   15   12   10   09   01   01      L-11+17=+6
34   31   15   12   10   08   02   02
35   24   15   12   10   07   03   03
36   21   15   11   11   08   03   03      P11# 1
37   09   14   12   11   08   03   03      P12# 1
38   16   13   13   11   08   03   03      P13# R   
39   03   12   14   11   08   03   03      W-11-12-13+36=0+6=+6
40   35   12   14   11   07   04   04
41   26   12   13   12   08   04   04      P13# 1
42   22   12   12   13   09   04   04      W-13+36=+20+6=+26 P12# R
43   26   12   12   13   08   05   05      L-12+26=+14 P12# R
44   30   11   13   13   08   05   05      W-12+36=+24+14=+38 P13# 1
45   36   11   12   14   09   05   05      W-13+36=+23+38=+61
46   04   10   13   14   09   05   05
47   36   10   13   14   08   06   06
48   05   09   14   14   08   06   06      P14# 1
49   21   09   14   14   07   07   07      L-14+61=+47 P14# 1
50   22   09   14   14   06   08   08      L-14+47=+33 P14# 1
51   32   09   13   15   07   08   08      W-14+36=+22+33=55
52   29   09   13   15   06   09   09
53   15   08   14   15   06   09   09
54   23   07   15   15   06   09   09      P15# 1
55   19   07   14   16   07   09   09      W-15+36=+21+55=76
56   01   07   13   17   08   09   09
57   23   07   12   18   09   09   09
58   07   07   12   18   09   09   08   01
59   06   06   13   18   09   09   08   01
60   36   06   13   18   09   09   07   02
61   20   06   13   18   08   10   08   02
62   14   05   14   18   08   10   08   02
63   26   05   14   18   08   10   07   03
64   30   05   13   19   09   10   07   03   
65   09   05   12   20   10   10   07   03
66   26   05   12   20   10   10   07   03
67   35   05   12   20   10   10   06   04
68   19   05   12   20   09   11   07   04
69   09   05   12   20   08   12   08   04

[RayManZ]

I jump when i've lost two crossings or when i'm in profit. When you think the wheel is against you just make a jump.

[valnurat]

Could you, in my exampel tell me from what spin to spin I should jump, if I should follow your guideline.

[nottophammer]

Hi valnurat
As the Guvnor Winkel would say you are seeing the crossings.
As you practice more and read more you will find more advice, like not to bet when two crossing are showing,   49   21   09   14   14   07   07   07                                 but  IMO you could bet both the 1x v >1  + 2x v 3x, 14  +7 if you were to lose you could rebet if lose again the 1x would need to be doubled to maintain a profit on them,if win and profit is plus you could then carry on betting the 2x if you wanted to.
Watch the trot winkel broke down the 37 spin cycle to 13th spin 25th spin and 37 th spin, look at those spins,at 12th spin you show the >1 not hit so  the 1x are to hit if you are to see >1 increase.
At spin 25 you show the game playing to the expected spin cycle, at 37th spin 0x hit as expected the 1x and >1 slightly out of sync.
When to jump, somewhere in the posts its mentioned if at 39 units you could jump or play to the 50th spin then jump, but as you read you'll come across this.

Good luck,we all need a bit now and again

[nottophammer]

Azim
as you can see iwas betting the 1x+>1 as the 0x was high. Got the wins and went for the >1 starting with the usual .20p unit start, had to double the £1.80 but came in. With only 1 >1 showing went for it being 9 a £1.80 start wins with  4 units on.

A total Win of 75 units with some other bets earlier

If at 25th spin and >1 has not won is it the way to go
NTH

[valnurat]

When I was playing for fun for testing I came across this and I would like your comment on this.
Game 1:
SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
39 34 15 11 11  5  6  6  0
40 10 14 12 11  5  6  6  0
41 35 14 12 11  5  6  5  1  Do I bet both 1 vs >1 and 2 vs 3?
42  4 14 11 12  6  6  5  1  Where do I bet here: 2 vs >2 and/or >2 vs 3?
43 28 14 11 12  5  7  6  1
44 36 14 10 13  6  7  6  1  Do I bet 2 vs 3?
45  2 13 11 13  6  7  6  1
46 22 13 10 14  7  7  6  1  This is the same question as in SP 42?
47 16 12 11 14  7  7  6  1  I bet 0 vs 1 but I also bet 2 vs >2 and/or >2 vs 3?
48 30 12 11 14  7  7  5  2
49 11 11 12 14  7  7  5  2
50 22 11 12 14  6  8  6  2  I guess I should use the answer for SP 44
51 35 11 12 14  6  8  6  2
52  1 11 12 14  5  9  7  2

[nottophammer]

Answer to sp 41

Me yes,i'd bet both as if lose can rebet, if success with the 1x remember how many times you've bet the 2x which is showing 5,think how many more times you could bet the 2x's with out increasing the unit to make a profit, if say you've bet 15 units on 2x's you could leave alone and if dont hit for X number of spins you could pick up where you left it.

Be back as of to the chiropodist

[valnurat]

Do you have any other feedback to my post?

[Azim]

Do you have any other feedback to my post?

valnurat ,'

nottophammer has said it right.

It also depends on your ability to understanding whats going on with that session.

Knowing the result's anyone can say what ever the seen outcome is.

However, Had you bet both and carried on you would have made 20 units with the 2's.
Having said that, the rule is to bet the crossing with the most number's. Sometimes we all break rules to suit ourselves.

With Winkel's rules the bankroll is 500 unit's. However, remember if you start betting both the crossings the rule has been broken. Which mean's the 500 unit bankroll does not apply and you need more for the spins from hell.

I believe people are trying all sorts of variation of the GUT and not adjusting the bankroll accordingly.

[winkel]

 

Could you, in my exampel tell me from what spin to spin I should jump, if I should follow your guideline.

There is only one person who could tell you to jump or not to jumpe: Only You

Do you see upcoming crossings? No? Then jump!
Do you see multiple crossings? Do you see which is best bet? Do you hesitate? Jump!

[winkel]

When I was playing for fun for testing I came across this and I would like your comment on this.
Game 1:
SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
39 34 15 11 11  5  6  6  0
40 10 14 12 11  5  6  6  0
41 35 14 12 11  5  6  5  1  Do I bet both 1 vs >1 and 2 vs 3?
42  4 14 11 12  6  6  5  1  Where do I bet here: 2 vs >2 and/or >2 vs 3?this is not a bet opportunity because >x is always going up and all following groups belong to it.
43 28 14 11 12  5  7  6  1
44 36 14 10 13  6  7  6  1  Do I bet 2 vs 3? Are you sure? Bet! Are you not sure? Don´t bet!

br
winkel

[valnurat]

Thank you for the feedback.

[valnurat]

People have seen my video's with this strategy working using a bot. BTW, the bot is not for sale.

Hi Azim.
Where do I find this video?

[Azim]

Hi Azim.
Where do I find this video?

I don't have them handy anymore.