Holy Grail By Winkel.

[underthegun]

@azim

i confirm

with gut tracker7clicker and kfs gut tracker 123 spin + 220 unit on DB following crossing

you can see file last session

ty

[TwoCatSam]

Banned??  Why on Earth?

[vundarosa]

I think I better stop here before I get banned from the site by Steve or a moderator.

However, If you do have questions. Post your play by play and I will try and explain , what I would look for in that situation.

Please just don't post 1 spin. Please post a minimum of last 7-10 spins before the situation in question.

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here you go

25
29
22
20
9
21
3
25
1
31

[Azim]

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here you go

25
29
22
20
9
21
3
25
1
31

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[Turner]

Azim

I read all the posts on this over at betselection.cc, and all these. Same MO. Lots to say about little really.

That sounds a bit harsh, but I looked further.

Basically, you are saying that we have been sitting on a HG for 5 years and dont realize it.

OK....it seems, from what little you are actually saying is that in GUT, the passings happen. They always happen so thats the HG ellement.

But.....you have hinted that in GUT...you play passings, but not everyone....and you wont tell us how that is.

..................................

From reading (in my view, one of the best investigations into a system ever posted) Sams videos and deliberations on GUT, the frustration kinda lies in the wealth of passings to choose from and its down to picking the right ones and understanding if its actually a passing or not.

Isnt that the same with every system? Double streets hit...which one? Red or black will hit, which one?

I think GUT is just a very complex version of any other simple version. it boils down to choice....which is luck.

If Sam passed on it....it doesnt work any better than all the others he passed on. Hes the dogs bollox.

His analysis is based on honesty and logic. Not holding bits back to keep the topic going.

[Azim]

@azim

i confirm

with gut tracker7clicker and kfs gut tracker 123 spin + 220 unit on DB following crossing

you can see file last session

ty

You don't have to prove it to me. I know it works like a charm. It;s all about practice and more practice.
Like the saying: PRACTICE MAKES IT PERFECT.

[Interstate89]

Azim

I read all the posts on this over at betselection.cc, and all these. Same MO. Lots to say about little really.

That sounds a bit harsh, but I looked further.

Basically, you are saying that we have been sitting on a holy grail for 5 years and don't realize it.

OK....it seems, from what little you are actually saying is that in GUT, the passings happen. They always happen so that's the holy grail ellement.

But.....you have hinted that in GUT...you play passings, but not everyone....and you wont tell us how that is.

..................................

From reading (in my view, one of the best investigations into a system ever posted) Sams videos and deliberations on GUT, the frustration kinda lies in the wealth of passings to choose from and its down to picking the right ones and understanding if its actually a passing or not.

Isnt that the same with every system? Double streets hit...which one? Red or black will hit, which one?

I think GUT is just a very complex version of any other simple version. it boils down to choice....which is luck.

If Sam passed on it....it doesn't work any better than all the others he passed on. he's the dogs bollox.

His analysis is based on honesty and logic. Not holding bits back to keep the topic going.

i dont want to attack somebody but your text sounds like Sam is the judge who says jail or freedom.
Azim is saying that he is not 100% in the topic and there are still things he dont know or understand.

everytime a system, method or bet selection comes out we have to find some parts by ourselves. this is the only way to get the story about the topic.
if somebody tells you the "1+1" from the start maybe you get the mechanics but you dont know what is behind the stage.

there are people in this world who are thinking for years about something and after that somebody wants to know it in 5 minutes.

[Azim]

Azim

I read all the posts on this over at betselection.cc, and all these. Same MO. Lots to say about little really.

That sounds a bit harsh, but I looked further.

Basically, you are saying that we have been sitting on a holy grail for 5 years and don't realize it.
YES!!!!!.   It is not laid out on a platter. But you have to practice it.

OK....it seems, from what little you are actually saying is that in GUT, the passings happen. They always happen so that's the holy grail ellement.

They cross with different variations. You have to practice to understand which variation to be bet and which not to.


But.....you have hinted that in GUT...you play passings, but not everyone....and you wont tell us how that is.

..................................

From reading (in my view, one of the best investigations into a system ever posted) Sams videos and deliberations on GUT, the frustration kinda lies in the wealth of passings to choose from and its down to picking the right ones and understanding if its actually a passing or not.

Isnt that the same with every system? Double streets hit...which one? Red or black will hit, which one?

I think GUT is just a very complex version of any other simple version. it boils down to choice....which is luck.
Luck comes with hard work. Sorry for the choice of words again:
Sitting at home and not studying, one will not became a doctor.


If Sam passed on it....it doesn't work any better than all the others he passed on. he's the dogs bollox.

His analysis is based on honesty and logic. Not holding bits back to keep the topic going.

I am not doubting Sam at all.  Sorry Sam, but when I was reading posts.

Sam's question was and correct me if I am wrong Sam:

10 VS 9 is a crossing. As per Sam's thinking.
9 VS 9 was his question he didn't see that as a crossing. 
I don't know why someone didn't explain him that.
9 VS 9 can became  8 VS 10. That is a crossing.

Look at it like crossing the road 10 VS 9 becomes 9 VS 9. You are stuck in the middle of the road. You will cross eventually.
With that situation you have 2 betting opportunities. you played 10 VS 9 and won the 10 number hit to become 9 VS 9 and now you playing 9 VS 9 to become 8 VS 10.

The question is would you bet that or not.  If you practice and see for yourself what was the situation that made it 9 VS 9. You decide to play it. If you lose. I hope you will remember that you lost the last time.

Having lost the last time is your -2.7% house advantage.  You now have to remember, out of how many losses did 1 win.

When you playing, you are remembering all that.

GUT, in short is not easy like you said. But LUCK yes, however there is enough potential in GUT to bring you back to even and stop if you think you making wrong decisions.


I just thought of this while writing this:

IN POKER WE DON'T PLAY ANY 2 CARDS. WE PLAY GOOD CARDS BASED ON POSITION FROM THE DEALER.

That comes with practice. it's easy to remember 169, 2 card hands. Now translate that to at least 7 different situations that can come up with 37 number's.

Its hard work and practice with GUT.

What I am saying by helping is go through the spin file look and think for yourself. If you can't and want to ask questions post the crossings with numbers and we know what we are looking at.
 

[Azim]

i don't want to attack somebody but your text sounds like Sam is the judge who says jail or freedom.
Azim is saying that he is not 100% in the topic and there are still things he don't know or understand.

everytime a system, method or bet selection comes out we have to find some parts by ourselves. this is the only way to get the story about the topic.
if somebody tells you the "1+1" from the start maybe you get the mechanics but you don't know what is behind the stage.

there are people in this world who are thinking for years about something and after that somebody wants to know it in 5 minutes.

Thank You.

[Turner]

i don't want to attack somebody but your text sounds like Sam is the judge who says jail or freedom.
Azim is saying that he is not 100% in the topic and there are still things he don't know or understand.

everytime a system, method or bet selection comes out we have to find some parts by ourselves. this is the only way to get the story about the topic.
if somebody tells you the "1+1" from the start maybe you get the mechanics but you don't know what is behind the stage.

there are people in this world who are thinking for years about something and after that somebody wants to know it in 5 minutes.

You arnt attacking anyone....relax

Everyone has standard candles in their life.....and he is one in mine. I just know there is no hidden agenda in his posts. This has gone on enough to suspect there is a hidden agenda.

I AM NOT SAYING THERE IS...before the Attack police beat me up in the back of their van.

Just typing what I am thinking here......

[Azim]

I will add this to the fire by me saying "THIS IS A HOLY GRAIL IF PLAYED RIGHT"

Did anyone of you know, Winkel had a tracker that he used.
If the answer is yes!!  Do you know how many?

He played 111 different trackers at the same time. Using the same GUT theory and same number's.

Now that is GENIUS when we can't even play 1. 

[Interstate89]

at the moment i´m on page 20 and my brain feels like i try to build a rocket to mars.

the crossing i dont understand at the moment is the 0 to >1.
a number of group 0 goes to 1, i get it.
number of 1 goes to >1 or 2. these are crossings i understand for the logic.

but why is winkel talking about the 0 to >1 crossing. maybe the solution comes with some more pages to read but this crossing jumps over group 1.

[Buffster]

Azim

Thank you for your efforts to try and make me understand that this is a HOLY GRAIL ...

But if you don't mind i'll pass on it and wait for the next HOLY GRAIL to come along ....

I just looked at the schedule and there should be one due in about an hour.


B

[TwoCatSam]

the crossing i don't understand at the moment is the 0 to >1.

I-89

That is not a crossing!!  0 vs 1 and 1 vs >1 are both crossing.

Sam

[TwoCatSam]

Guys

I am certainly no judge of anything.  Thank you, Turner, for the nice words.

Remember Kon-Fu-Sed?  He had a fellow program this into a computer just as winkel said and it lost around 2.7% 

winkel said one must use "gambler's intelligence" to work this system.  I really tried that as best I could.

I even had "backward crossings" and the "winkel no-crossing crossing".  I studied crossings until I was pretty salty at them.  Still I kept a 3x5 card with all of them listed while I played.

There is no "tracker4"; its Track4.  There are no "passings", only crossings.

The problem is just like Kon-Fu-Sed said:  Lines must cross, but you never know when.  If you have a 10 v 9, you are betting that 10 numbers will hit--for some reason--before one of the other 27 does.  As a "Holy Grail", it will not work.  The 27 win out.  I will say this and I said it before:  It "seems" the lines "want" to cross. 

I have never given up on the G.U.T. and will try it again.  I spent $150 for Victor to make me a tracker/clicker which does not work.  How's that for commitment??

Right now I'm on two other projects and just don't have time to do everything.

I'm always open to questions.

Sam