Holy Grail By Winkel.

[underthegun]

hi all.

@azim

please load file text attacked here.
is a 104 real spin at DB just closed.
i have played following these rules:
R vs N
N vs F2
R vs all F
N vs all F

where R is 0 hits - N is once hit - F is twice or more
result disastrous with flat bet......
you  are much more knowledgeable of the GUT strategy.
do you think that I have something wrong?

ty

[winkel]

OK

Now I've read it and you've read it and each may choose to believe as he wishes.  I believe winkel is human and this is a human error.  Decreasing the 0 column does one thing and one only:  It increase the 1 column. 

When a number in the 1 column hits, it increase the 2 column and the >1 column.

That's the way I see it.  If I'm wrong, I'm wrong.  Someone will have to show me a graph where a 0 column hit increases the >1 column.  Then I'll believe it.

Anyone...?

Sam

Hi Sam,

go back to very beginning and you will find that I explained:

0´s are always going down
1´s, 2´s etc. are going up and then going down, but not strictly sometimes waving
all > ´s are straigt going up

if you look at the graphs you will see that falling 1`s are crossing the >1´s while 2´s are not crossing.
You can bet 1, 2, ... etc crossing upwards and downwards.
>x`s you can only bet if a smaller group is due to cross it downwards.
eg.
0 = 9
1 = 19
>1 = 9
you can bet that 0 fall down crossing the line of >1´s =
0= 8
1 = 20
>1 = 9

br
winkel

[winkel]

@Azim,

thanks for studying GUT and the work you are doing.

@all

what Konfused proofed was that if we bet a certain crossing we will end up -2,7%.
which is very logical.

I explained, that  we bet only all upcoming crosses as we learn to find and bet them.

then I explained extended rules and hints to decide to bet a crossing or bet it not.
You all will remember this sentence: "Watch what is going on!"

example:
only looking at 0 and 1
18   9
17 10
16 11
15 12
14 13

now we have a crossing, would you bet it after 4 hits of 0 in a row?

13 18
13 17
13 16
13 15
13 14
13 13
now we have a crossing, would you bet on 0´s after 5 hits on 1 in a row.

Most of the people here complaining it is not a holy grail and it fails, didn´t ask any question to me. Why?

I said: put your numbers in GUTCBA and look why crossings hit and why not.

You can´t put it in a tracker and clicker and let it run day by day cash comes running in.
But that is what most people await by a grail.

I also said that GUT is just a simple version of my extended game- I proofed it in a german forum, where i made more than 200 units in a trot of maximum 50 spins.
But as victor sold this forum again and started a new one I was tired to explain it again and again. Also always people came up to complain and attacking me. So I stopped to post on this or any other english-speaking forums.

If there are serious questions (please no starters questions) I will try to answer

br
winkel

[underthegun]

well-found winkel
I think gut is actually a good strategy, no doubt.
Your example is very clear
The tool that I am missing and I dont find is right GUTCBA.
If you help me I am grateful.
thanks winkel

[Azim]

@Azim,

thanks for studying GUT and the work you are doing.

br
winkel

How are you feeling? Hope better than the last time you were on here.

I originally only read 3 -4 pages and liked it.  Never followed it through. Didn't have too.
I haven't done anything.  I was out to give my version of your theory.  When Sam and BudskiiHD said they had both lost. Made me wonder what you had missed. However, you haven't missed a bit. I think no one let you finish your explanation and jumped saying it will never work.

I totally RESPECT what you have tried to do.

Like the saying goes WE CAN TAKE A HORSE TO THE WATER BUT WE CAN'T MAKE IT DRINK IT.

My hat's off to you in trying to explain this in such a simple way.

I don't want to ask questions if you are not here to answer any.

I will totally respect that and let you decide.

I have a few questions, that haven't been answered from your posts as far as I have reached. I might have skimmed past it or never caught on it.

In all honesty I haven't read them all either. So if you aren't here to answer questions, I will keep reading.
Otherwise you know, what my first question is, seems no-one has been able to answer it, even though the claim is it has been studied.

[Azim]

If there are serious questions (please no starters questions) I will try to answer

br
winkel

Too excited to see you back. Didn't even bother reading this....

[winkel]

Hi Azim,

obviously you are missing some basics of probability theory and statistics.

If you have 37 possible events, you should create 37 single Events to get a basic impression.
If you repeat this several times you will find that "mostly" 2/3 of possible events appear.

As in the posted statistic you can find, that in average 13/14 numbers won´t appear, that means 23/24 numbers will appear at least once, some twice ore more.

The statistic shows all possible outcomes of a 37 spin trot.
There are only 37 possbile ways that a single number appears 37 times
But there are millions of trillions ways that all 37 numbers appear in any possible order.

You can also split it up as I did:
spin 1-13 there will 26 not hit 9 hit once and 2 will hit more than once
spin 14-25 there will be 18/19 unhit 14/15 hit once 3 to 5 will hit more than once
spin 26-37 there will be 13/14 unhit 13/14 hit once 9 to 10 will hit more than once
spin 38-50 there will be 9 unhit, 14 once and 14 more than once

with these "checkpoints" you can judge the trot as fast, average, or slow

[Azim]

Hi Azim,

obviously you are missing some basics of probability theory and statistics.

If you have 37 possible events, you should create 37 single Events to get a basic impression.
If you repeat this several times you will find that "mostly" 2/3 of possible events appear.

As in the posted statistic you can find, that in average 13/14 numbers won´t appear, that means 23/24 numbers will appear at least once, some twice ore more.

The statistic shows all possible outcomes of a 37 spin trot.
There are only 37 possbile ways that a single number appears 37 times
But there are millions of trillions ways that all 37 numbers appear in any possible order.

You can also split it up as I did:
spin 1-13 there will 26 not hit 9 hit once and 2 will hit more than once
spin 14-25 there will be 18/19 unhit 14/15 hit once 3 to 5 will hit more than once
spin 26-37 there will be 13/14 unhit 13/14 hit once 9 to 10 will hit more than once
spin 38-50 there will be 9 unhit, 14 once and 14 more than once

with these "checkpoints" you can judge the trot as fast, average, or slow

Correct me if I am wrong. That's based on theory of the third.

I get it, the breakdown is one way of following the trends of the crossing and making an educated guess at to which crossing to bet at what time.

Is that why you used more tracker's.

I can see this situation in one tracker as this result. In another tracker as another result.
33   22      12   25   19   6   4   2   2   0   19
34   3      11   26   20   6   4   2   2   0   19
35   24      11   26   19   7   5   2   2   0   19
36   13      10   27   20   7   5   2   2   0   19
37   36      10   27   19   8   6   2   2   0   19
38   5      10   27   18   9   7   2   2   0   19
39   14      10   27   17   10   8   2   2   0   9
40   23      10   27   16   11   9   2   2   0   -1
41   15      10   27   15   12   10   2   2   0   -1
42   9      10   27   15   12   9   3   3   0   -1
43   8      9   28   16   12   9   3   3   0   -1

That's 7 no hit's on the 0's, which means if i was using multiple trackers of up to 7 or 9. In one of the tracker's this would have showed up as a crossing. If this is correct, I am hoping my next statement will be right.
Is that why you used 111 trackers which is your 3 Standard Deviation and if you can manage that, you would be betting on 1 mumber at a time only for 2 spins?

[winkel]

... and if you can manage that, you would be betting on 1 mumber at a time only for 2 spins?

wrong conclusion. I just detect which single trot I will bet next.

[Azim]

wrong conclusion. I just detect which single trot I will bet next.

Winkel,

Please don't take me wrong. You know I am on your side.

Now, hear me out why I made that conclusion. I know, I haven't proved it. Because I don't know the basics.
Playing with number's if a challenge for me.

If I was using 3 SD trackers on this number's. I will use your case 111 Tracker's.

You do agree every tracker will have a different result set?

The trot 0 is sleeper's if I was able to track 111 tracker's without difficulty.

Now taking 111 different result set from all 111 tracker's. Using unions, intersection and difference.( I have used difference so everyone understands its actually called complement)
One can reduce the number's to bet on?

Why can't I do that, have you looked at that?

[winkel]

I think we talk about different things-

I only use track4.exe when I play or GUTCBA if  I´m testing

I don´t know what you mean by 111-tracker.

[Azim]

Hi Nobody,

this will call Herb, because with this we are going straight to the point of knowing the next number to come.

It follows what I said some days ago: If you have a 100 spins and jump back only one spin (that's what you do with your multiple tracker)
you will find one crossing on the same spins over different trackers.



This is my tracker.
as you see, there are different sheets exactly; 111
every sheet has control over 50 spins
1. 1-50
2. 2-51
3. 3-52
....
111. 111-161

in all I control 161 spins I can jump forward and backward I can control whether there are opposite crossings (page 15 say 0vs1 and page 5 says 1vs2 I don´t bet!

But that is for herb and gizmotron: this enables to play (following Kolmogorof) thee difference between these two crossings.

But that is another thing.

br
winkel

Example:
You have used intersection on identical crossings.
Using the theory of intersections.
Why not just play the intersections of the elements of as many result sets that you have used to identify that?

The one I have marked in red. Why not use the difference and bet.
If this theory is right. Which we both agree to that this theory is right. Why can't we bet the difference.
The difference on the red elements should work too?

[winkel]

okay, now I know what you mean.

I tried this, but it is boring and takes a lot of time to calculate.

It is easier to bet some more numbers and win! 

br
winkel

[Azim]

okay, now I know what you mean.

I tried this, but it is boring and takes a lot of time to calculate.

It is easier to bet some more numbers and win! 

br
winkel

Thank you.  I guess even you got bored of the "HOLY GRAIL"


Thanks for coming back by the way.

For the rest of us.

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE  which turns into LEARN LEARN LEARN which turns into BECOME DOCTORS OF ROULETTE AND MAKE YOUR MONEY.

Here is the HOLY GRAIL you all have had for 5 years and are still searching.


Winkel,

Your other theories. Where can I read about them? 


To Anyone and everyone,

I am sorry if I have offended or insulted you in any which way or form.

I said it before and so did the PROFESSOR:  This will work on RNG, LIVE , AUTO ROULETTE and I will add any number's picked from any where.

With number's picked from anywhere all you have to do is go inside the person's head and think what they are thinking.

BY THE WAY:  Sam and Blood Angel.  I have to say this.

Remember when I asked Sam to give me the number's.  I stopped after getting a number.
If you read I said after 8-9 spins keep an eye on 25-> It will become a hot number.  It sure was.  The next number to hit was 25.

I hope you all had a good X-Mas and a happy new year.

Mine was the best. I got a gift in life that no-one will ever be able to take it away from me. 


Now my work contract is expiring. I don't know, if it will get renewed or not.

That might bring other options.

Like I said. You don't have to buy anything for all these.  It's all free.
However, if you want it on a platter, there is always price that goes with something that is PRICELESS.


PLEASE DONT GET SCAMED BY PEOPLE SELLING THIS THEORY.
ANDRUCHI HAS TRIED IT.

IF YOU GET SOMEONE THAT SAYS YOU HAVE TO PLAY AT A CERTAIN CASINO.  RUN!!!!!
THIS WILL WORK ANYWHERE IN THE UNIVERSE.

[Azim]

To Everyone,

Winkel, has made it clear he will not be answering any basic questions. He has got tired of answering the same starter questions. I personally don't blame him.

However, if you have any questions, I will answer them. I do care how basic they are. I want this legacy of the PROFESSOR to carry own.

When I say basic: i don't want someone to post 1.6.28.9 and expect me to comment on that.
What I would like to see is
41  1  12 25 16 9 .....
42  6  11 26 17 9......
42  28 11 26 16 10....
43  9   11 26 16 9 .....

I will answer those. that tells me you have made an effort of trying to learn.

or

Ask about different crossings.

After my explanation if Winkel wants to add or think's that my explanation is wrong he can correct me.

Is that fair Winkel?