Holy Grail By Winkel.

[foogus]

I made a separate post here for the rules as I saw them from Winkel's thread.

17-13 numbers 2 bets
12-10 numbers 3 bets
9-8 numbers 4 bets

36/numbers=times to bet (use first number only; 3,5 = 3)

Stop at >39 units otherwise play till spin 50, no stoploss no limit (this one I changed to suit myself as I noticed the rebounds that often happened)

Rebet a crossing as long as it is alive
15-14 moves to 15-13 stop betting
15-14 stays 15-14 rebet (once see above)
especially later in the spins when bet 0vs2 appear:
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-9 loss
9-8 loss stopp betting

9-9
9-8
9-7 stop
9-8 (a 1 has hit) start betting max 4times again


Play
0vs1
1vs2
0vs1>
0vs2>
1vs1>
1vs2

This is just my take and it worked OK for me. Attached is a summary of the GUT.

[agesta]

Thank´s a lot for this summery!

agesta

[winkel]

This is just my take and it worked OK for me. Attached is a summary of the GUT.

Thanks foogus,

everybody may play this strategy as it is comfortable for him/her.

As I said, this gives the point of a possible bet. If you bet or not it is your decision.

br
winkel

[roulettefan]

question  @foogus & winkel

how mutch unit we need to lay this system safely ?

foogus
can you show us
for exemple resiult of 10 seesions  how mutch you win ?
each session and loss
just to have a view on this system

can you say you are winning in the "long run "

@foogus thank for the sumery of gut as you play it

[foogus]

question  @foogus & winkel

how mutch unit we need to lay this system safely ?

foogus
can you show us
for exemple resiult of 10 seesions  how mutch you win ?
each session and loss
just to have a view on this system

can you say you are winning in the "long run "

@foogus thank for the sumery of gut as you play it

I haven't played roulette for quite a while, but from memory I liked to have a BR of about 1000 units.  I played mostly RNG funnily enough on a casino called OMNI.  You have to remember you won't win every session.  I haven't got my notes from my sessions easily available at the moment, but on average towards the end before I was forced to stop playing due to ill health I was winning around 7-8 out of 10 sessions.  Winnings sessions ranged from 10 to as high as 80 units a 50 spin session.  I could also lose as much as 50+ units on the losing sessions, but this was rare.  Over 10 sessions I used to pick up about 400 units on average.  I mostly played to win 100 units a day playing $1 chips.

You need to remember it took me about two years of practice to understand what was happening properly.  Doing this without tracker software is far more difficult and time consuming. 

If I have time I will do some practice sessions using real spin data and try to explain how I would have played them with Alarian's tracker.  Not sure if you can get it anywhere anymore so here it is as an attachment, the others available are pretty good as well.  I particularly liked Track4.

[roulettefan]

@foogus
thank from France

[foogus]

Attached is a 49 spin session with screen dumps on how I play it.

Result was +41 units.

Also attached is the actual spins from Dublinbet that the session was based on.

[vundarosa]

 

Not sure if you can get it anywhere anymore so here it is as an attachment, the others available are pretty good as well.  I particularly liked Track4.

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been looking for this! 

thx

vundarosa

[Azim]

Winkel,

Is there a quick way to get all possible combinations with there frequency of showing at all spins from 1-50?

[winkel]

Winkel,

Is there a quick way to get all possible combinations with there frequency of showing at all spins from 1-50?

you are not really knowing what you are asking for, are you?

Above there is the statistic where is shown how many combinations there are possible for 14 unhits in 37 spins.
Can you pronounce that figure?

So there is no quick or even readable way to answer your question

[winkel]

Attached is a 49 spin session with screen dumps on how I play it.

Result was +41 units.

Also attached is the actual spins from Dublinbet that the session was based on.

The problem with that tracker is that you can´t see what is going on

[winkel]

just to give you an idea of the data volume

all possible combinations at spin 25 out of 10 000 000 spins

[Azim]

just to give you an idea of the data volume

all possible combinations at spin 25 out of 10 000 000 spins

Thank you. I guess I asked the wrong question.

Now with what you have for spin 25 is it possible to get something similar from spin 13 to 50?

Just want to analyze a few things. If it's not possible, this one is a start.

[winkel]

Just tell me what you wanna anylize and I answer. Promise you, i did all possible queries over that problem otherwise I wouldn´t had created G.U.T

[Azim]

Just tell me what you wanna anylize and I answer. Promise you, i did all possible queries over that problem otherwise I wouldn´t had created G.U.T

Oh I believe you. I know you did. That's why you have a nice system.

Ok. I will try and explain what I am looking for.

Lets say I am playing a session:

At spin 13 I get:

13   35      24   13   13   0   0   0   0   0   0

This is what I would like to understand.

24 can turn into 23.
Which means >0 13 turns to 14 , and =1 turns to 14.

OR
24 stays at 24.
>0 13 stays at 13.
=1 13 turns into 12.
>1 0 turns into 1.
=2 0 turns into 1.

Remember. There is no crossing so we don't bet. Just throwing this out.
For this situation, this are the only 2 possible changes.  We decide based on what's happening if we bet or not, once again if this was a crossing.

What I am trying to understand is: "WHAT ARE THE CHANCE'S THAT IDENTICAL CROSSINGS CAN ONLY BE PLAYED AT A CERTAIN SPIN COUNT?"

What do I mean by that is:
Once again giving example: Yes we don't bet 19-18 crossing ever. But what if with a full blown analysis we find that 19-18 crossing will always win at spin 22. Here we go to the table, start noting our spins. we get to spin 22 and we get a crossing 19-18. Based on statistics. This crossing will always win. If we are making our bets based on statistics we bet the 19-18 crossing only when its at spin 22.

Like wise, we can pick 10-12 different crossing and wait for them at a certain spin count and once we have them we bet.

23   25      17   20    17   3   3   0   0   0   0
24   0      16   21   18   3   3   0   0   0   19

IF 17-17 always wins at spin 23 we keep tracking and see if we get that crossing at spin 23 and bet it.

This is what I would like to prove? After knowing how far you have gone with this.

I know there are more crossing and possible combinations.

It's boiling down to how much patience will one have.