Holy Grail By Winkel.

[winkel]

I knew that you would go for this.

Take that Excel-Sheet I gave for spin 25.
Read as follows:

Situation:
R = unhit 0, N=1, F2 = twice, F3 = three times and so on
Summe = amount of appearance in 10 000 000 trots at spin 25
the next columns tell which has appeared in the next spin

example line 31 19-11-7 which means crossing 19 18
total of 43640
in the next spin hit
0 = 22504
1 = 13007
2 = 8133

43640*19/37 = 22409,72973   
13007*11/37 = 12974,05405   
8133*7/37 = 8256,216216

As you can see every chance hits within its probability.
That is what Konfused proofed.
The differences are due to normal deviation.

What I say is: Look what happened before and you will select the bettings that probable have a higher chance of hitting.

But you can refer to my Post at VLS: mathematical proof of G.U.T
and see where my "higher chance" is hidden

[Azim]

Ok.

Now look at this from the same file
This is from line 30.
18 17 2                               72   42  27  3                              

Or
This is from line 15
17   16   3   1   64492   29728   27833   5184   1747

Now If i am at spin 25. I run into a situation. Where I have a crossing 18/17 I don't bet. the number's are low.

However on the same token if I was at spin 25 and I get a crossing 17/16  I would bet in a heart beat. Based on the statistics you have showed me here.

BTW the excel sheet only has a count of 1, 040, 436.

I have a file with 3,084,160. That I am trying to run this against. It's not an easy task.
Was hoping if , you can provide the rest. That will same me some time.

It is no doubt what, foogus has said to everyone. It took him 2 yrs to practice.

[Azim]

Here is another example:

From what you have said :

At line 9:  16 17 4  This is not a crossing. Just trying to explain where I am going with this.

Based on your number's 49350  21374  22721 5255
As you can see the 1's hit.  So If I was at spin 25 with that result set. I would bet 17 1's knowing that statistics in on my side to pull a win, based on previous performance of how it got to that result set.

I also have to know if at spin 24:
Was line 9 originally  17 16 4 or no before making that conclusion. This also tells me If I bet for 2 spins at spin 24. 17/16  would hit on spin 25 or 26 as per your findings.

I could be way off in my thinking. But I have to prove to myself before I can draw that conclusion.
Unless you can prove it to me.

[Turner]

Azim......you ever seen Angel Heart with Mickey Rourke?

The more he digs and quizzes De Niro, the worse his life gets.

[Azim]

I am willing to prove myself wrong in my thinking.

I am sure I am. But need prove before I admit it. 

[winkel]

Hi Azim,

it is not possible to read from a statistic, which will happen in the next spin.

Basics to your question:

imagine you come to a point where it says:

16 17 4

What you can say is:

this will change to: 15 18 4 or 16 16 5 or 16 17 4
this will happen with its probabilities of 16/37 or 17/37 or 4/37

When I say: "Watch what is going on" You have to look to where this came from

It could have come from
17 16 4 or 16 18 3 or 16 17 4

that could have come from
17 16 4 or 18 15 4 or 17 17 3 or or 16 18 3 or 17 17 3 or 16 19 2 or or 16 17 4 or 16 18 3 or 17 16 4

Think about this!

or as I said: (as an example)

when it comes from 20 10 7 straight to 15 15 7 in 5 spins, how much would you bet on 0´s to hit again
when it comes from 15 20 2 straight to 15 15 7 in 5 spins, how much would you bet on 0´s to hit

and if in that sequence 6 times 0´s hit normally and 6 already have hit, or 5 times  1´s should hit and 5 already have on what would you bet? Or would you give the probability a chance to do what it mostly likes: to hit anything at all

[Azim]

Yes. You right.  I was looking at it from a different point of view. But at the end it boils down to  there are too many different combinations to think about.

It's better and safer to do it as you playing and watching how numbers are falling.

I guess there is no easy way out for anyone but to study it deeply and understand where the number's came from and watch what's going on at the table and make a judgement call.

Like you said, if you unsure it's better not to bet. There will always be the next train to catch.

[ddarko]

I assume because of the tracker, this can/is only played on-line ?

If it is played at a B&M casino what bet is made when you have no bet with the GUT ?

Because at some tables you must bet every spin......

[Azim]

I assume because of the tracker, this can/is only played on-line ?

If it is played at a B&M casino what bet is made when you have no bet with the GUT ?

Because at some tables you must bet every spin......

if you willing to practice you can play it without a tracker.

[ddarko]

if you willing to practice you can play it without a tracker.

Ok thank you 

So what about my second question pls....

"If it is played at a B&M casino what bet is made when you have no bet with the GUT ?

Because at some tables you must bet every spin......"

[Azim]

Ok thank you 

So what about my second question pls....

"If it is played at a B&M casino what bet is made when you have no bet with the GUT ?

Because at some tables you must bet every spin......"

All B&M casino's that I have played with friends and that I am aware of,  you don't have to bet every spin. Never ran into that problem. Can't answer.

[Azim]

by the way the excel sheet only has a count of 1, 040, 436.

Winkel,
I stand corrected on this too.  The number is right for 40,000,000 spins.
 

[ddarko]

All B&M casino's that I have played with friends and that I am aware of,  you don't have to bet every spin. Never ran into that problem. Can't answer.

Ok, fair enough.....

Finally have you played the GUT at a B&M casino ?

Thanking you in advance.....

[Azim]

Ok, fair enough.....

Finally have you played the GUT at a B&M casino ?

Thanking you in advance.....

Yes. I have played it. It's hard to keep track of it manually. But as Winkel said, we aren't playing every spin. There is enough time to look at whats going on .

My personal opinion it's for someone who has time, willing to put in time to learn it inside out.
Once you have done that, now look at it as going to work. It will make you money in the long run and short run.
You just have to have the patience and ability to understand what you tracking.
If you miss a bet, don't let it get to you. There will always be another bet to place round the corner.

[ddarko]

ok thanks for answering, just one final thought.....

After getting answers from Winkel, were are you now with how to play this ?

1. I was playing incorrect & Winkel has put me on the right path.

2. I was playing correctly ish from the start !!!!

3. His answers have just mudded the waters & I'm more confused than ever....

I ask because it appears to me there is no right / wrong way to play this. The "human factor" makes all the difference.