Holy Grail By Winkel.

[samson]

Winkel and all gents,

I ve come across Winkel's GUT around a month ago, tried it out on DB with a little profit but frequently struggling whether to bet or not. Perhaps some questions would have to be addressed.

Please kindly comment on what i am doing and thinking.

If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
26   19  13   5
27   18  14   5
28   17  15   5
29   16  16   5
generally I will see one more spin, if the 1's column (N) hits then (16-15-6), I would bet the crossing.


If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
25   16  20   1
26   16  19   2
27   16  18   3
28   16  17   4
29   16  16   5
I would definitely bet because it is expected to have around 6 unhit number (R) getting hit from spin 25 to spin 37, since there are only 8 spins left (37-29), the probability of hitting a unhit column (R) is around 6/8, which is quite high. (But I have seen some trot where R column sleeps till 40+ spins.....)

Should I give it up or jump when I am facing situation 1 that there is any uncertainty until I have got trot like situation 2? But it takes lots of time waiting because I only played in live online casino

Winkel, do you recommend using Track4 -1 function for jumping? (which is backtrack last 20 spins)

I found it not very difficult determining whether to bet or not for the unhit column (R) vs 1, but when it comes to 1 vs >1 or even 0 vs >1, I felt frustrated sometimes because I always guess wrongly... especially when double crossings appear like 13 12 12 or 13 13 12. Also, I noticed that it is quite difficult to make decision when spin number gets greater simply because there are more crossings appearing.

Winkel, you 've mentioned we have to pay attention to spin 13, 25, 37 in tracking the relative speed of the trot, and you said that if the trot is fast, try not to bet early crossings and vice versa. I reckon it is only usable for the unhit column (R), is there any tracking method for 1's column? (what I mean is how are you going to determine whether there will be a lot of repeaters)

Do you suggest betting 2 vs >2 or 2 vs 3 or 1 vs >2 within 50 spins? As the number are generally quite small. (Which in turn means the chance of hitting them is not that high, but I know that it has to cross, so I am now paying more attention on whole number vs >number, i.e. 0 vs >1, 1 vs >1, 1 vs >2, 2 vs >2, but often I have a hit on them after 6-7 bets and sometimes it stays there till spin 50 making me to cut loss, what's your opinion on that?)
It would be good of having a copy of the statistic you've organized in order to compare what i am seeing and the previous spin result (a million spins simply cant be ignored right?)

regards,
samson

[Azim]

Winkel and all gents,

I ve come across Winkel's GUT around a month ago, tried it out on DB with a little profit but frequently struggling whether to bet or not. Perhaps some questions would have to be addressed.

Please kindly comment on what i am doing and thinking.

If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
26   19  13   5
27   18  14   5
28   17  15   5
29   16  16   5
generally I will see one more spin, if the 1's column (N) hits then (16-15-6), I would bet the crossing.


If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
25   16  20   1
26   16  19   2
27   16  18   3
28   16  17   4
29   16  16   5
I would definitely bet because it is expected to have around 6 unhit number (R) getting hit from spin 25 to spin 37, since there are only 8 spins left (37-29), the probability of hitting a unhit column (R) is around 6/8, which is quite high. (But I have seen some trot where R column sleeps till 40+ spins.....)

Personally I would bet, just like you said. However, keep in mind anything can happen.  I can assure you this, you might have a losing session cause of bad judgment or an outside factor called LUCK. If you stay, the key is, if you stay consistent with your judgment and not repeat your bad calls by noting them down, LUCK will not play part over the long term.
That's why, Winkel has said keep note of your decisions and the out come for every crossing with there spins and use it to make a better judgment next time around. This is one system that has to be mastered. It's not simple like an even chance wait for so many spins and bet the opposite.



Should I give it up or jump when I am facing situation 1 that there is any uncertainty until I have got trot like situation 2? But it takes lots of time waiting because I only played in live online casino

Winkel, do you recommend using Track4 -1 function for jumping? (which is backtrack last 20 spins)


I would use 3 score cards start 1 at spin 1 second one at spin  13  and third one at spin 25.  and keep adding and throw away the first one. This way you have a flow of spins. It's not like you betting every spin hopefully not, you have enough time to track 3 cards.

I found it not very difficult determining whether to bet or not for the unhit column (R) vs 1, but when it comes to 1 vs >1 or even 0 vs >1, I felt frustrated sometimes because I always guess wrongly... especially when double crossings appear like 13 12 12 or 13 13 12. Also, I noticed that it is quite difficult to make decision when spin number gets greater simply because there are more crossings appearing.

That's why if you read is full blown explanation on the system. Winkel,  has said, keep a diary on all crossing you face and write them down to for your decision next time around, if you lose 4-5 times on that crossing the next one has a good chance to hit.

Winkel, you 've mentioned we have to pay attention to spin 13, 25, 37 in tracking the relative speed of the trot, and you said that if the trot is fast, try not to bet early crossings and vice versa. I reckon it is only usable for the unhit column (R), is there any tracking method for 1's column? (what I mean is how are you going to determine whether there will be a lot of repeaters)

Do you suggest betting 2 vs >2 or 2 vs 3 or 1 vs >2 within 50 spins? As the number are generally quite small. (Which in turn means the chance of hitting them is not that high, but I know that it has to cross, so I am now paying more attention on whole number vs >number, i.e. 0 vs >1, 1 vs >1, 1 vs >2, 2 vs >2, but often I have a hit on them after 6-7 bets and sometimes it stays there till spin 50 making me to cut loss, what's your opinion on that?)
It would be good of having a copy of the statistic you've organized in order to compare what i am seeing and the previous spin result (a million spins simply can't be ignored right?)

You have to remember, Winkel, can correct me if I am wrong. The more crossing you can play the better are your chances in avoiding a losing session. If you only going to play 0VS1 or 0 VS >1, the house edge of -2.7% will get you for sure. IF YOU THINK ITS NOT GOOD JUMP.  By the way, I did discuss about the stats, I know what you looking for, cause I thought of it the same way. Winkel is right, we will lose more playing with the stats. By looking at whats happening to the number's if you are unsure don't bet. There will always be the next opportunity.
By using pre-calculated stats, there is a very very good chance of people clamming this is a losing system.

If you decide not to play a crossing, write down what the result was. If you see 4-5 croosing have lost, even though you haven't played them before play them now. I hope you understand what I am saying.

regards,
samson

I am hoping I have answered your main concerns.

[samson]

I would use 3 score cards start 1 at spin 1 second one at spin  13  and third one at spin 25.  and keep adding and throw away the first one. This way you have a flow of spins. It's not like you betting every spin hopefully not, you have enough time to track 3 cards.

How would you do if first tracker shows crossing on "2 column" vs ">2 column" while the second tracker shows crossing on "0 column" vs "1 column" at around spin 40? Would you bet both?

Also could you please show me how would you keep a diary of you virtual or actual bet.

Thanks

Regards,
Samson

[winkel]

Winkel and all gents,

I ve come across Winkel's GUT around a month ago, tried it out on DB with a little profit but frequently struggling whether to bet or not. Perhaps some questions would have to be addressed.

Please kindly comment on what i am doing and thinking.

If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
26   19  13   5
27   18  14   5
28   17  15   5
29   16  16   5
generally I will see one more spin, if the 1's column (N) hits then (16-15-6), I would bet the crossing.


If the trot comes
spin  0    1    >1
25   16  20   1
26   16  19   2
27   16  18   3
28   16  17   4
29   16  16   5
I would definitely bet because it is expected to have around 6 unhit number (R) getting hit from spin 25 to spin 37, since there are only 8 spins left (37-29), the probability of hitting a unhit column (R) is around 6/8, which is quite high. (But I have seen some trot where R column sleeps till 40+ spins.....)

as you can see YOU make a decision. This no strategy with millions of if...then-Rules. It is just finding a betpoint an then decide to bet or not.

Should I give it up or jump when I am facing situation 1 that there is any uncertainty until I have got trot like situation 2? But it takes lots of time waiting because I only played in live online casino.

You can´t hurry it. you have to play what this strategy allows to you. every bet you don´t bet saves your bankroll, every jump you make gives you a jump from a trot you can´t read to one you CAN read.

Winkel, do you recommend using Track4 -1 function for jumping? (which is backtrack last 20 spins)

either that or you just use the numeric block to enter the last 13 15 or 10 spins.


I found it not very difficult determining whether to bet or not for the unhit column (R) vs 1, but when it comes to 1 vs >1 or even 0 vs >1, I felt frustrated sometimes because I always guess wrongly
so just remember this and stop betting on these until you notice a streak of selecting the right decision

... especially when double crossings appear like 13 12 12 or 13 13 12. Also, I noticed that it is quite difficult to make decision when spin number gets greater simply because there are more crossings appearing.

I often see people playing till spin 50. Why don´t you stop in a win >10 and just jump or restart and look if yodu can read that new trot. if not jump again.



Winkel, you 've mentioned we have to pay attention to spin 13, 25, 37 in tracking the relative speed of the trot, and you said that if the trot is fast, try not to bet early crossings and vice versa. I reckon it is only usable for the unhit column (R), is there any tracking method for 1's column? (what I mean is how are you going to determine whether there will be a lot of repeaters)

as I defined: the 0s are going strictly down (they are the only ones doing this)
the >x numbers are climbing steadily
all full numbers are going up, stay or wave for a while and then go down to zero again look at the graphs at VLS. If you understand you will know when the turn is taken

Do you suggest betting 2 vs >2 or 2 vs 3 or 1 vs >2 within 50 spins? As the number are generally quite small. (Which in turn means the chance of hitting them is not that high, but I know that it has to cross, so I am now paying more attention on whole number vs >number, i.e. 0 vs >1, 1 vs >1, 1 vs >2, 2 vs >2, but often I have a hit on them after 6-7 bets and sometimes it stays there till spin 50 making me to cut loss, what's your opinion on that?)

I always said: play it in Fun-Modus or watching spins in Live-Roulette  or take actuals from BMc-actuals like Wiesbaden, Dortmund and others and try to find a way through the jungle

It would be good of having a copy of the statistic you've organized in order to compare what i am seeing and the previous spin result (a million spins simply can't be ignored right?)
again: this million spins are unique and have no meaning to the next millions of spins.
on the other hand some copied my strategy and sold them. I don´t wanna give them more information to sell.

regards,
samson

br
winkel

[rajucb12]

Thanks for the post.could you allow us all more detailed take on your participate in? The quantity of periods will be your some day end result? As well as how big is bankroll that you just participate in together with?

[-ShonE-]

First of all I would like to say one big THANKS to Winkel and Azim, guys you did a really good job here, and put a lot effort in this, good will I can say, and a lot of spend time.
For the rest of beginners, it need some time to get the good balance between lose and win streak, but it is possible, I play few days, and I realized that there is some really good points when you can, and need, to bet. Still learning, I am not satisfied.

Any way, I am not sure that this thread is live(with those two guys), but I would like to share my experience with GUT, and if some of you guys still there, please take a look and give some feedback, comment, or whatever.

I play with real spins, from bet-at-home, and here is the results:

There is my last 10 sessions, and my goal is to win 100 units in 100 spins, never past 100+- spins.
My win at the end was +459 units, 8/10 wins of sessions, not so bad, but I am sure that this might be much more better, especially because I have my own system which bring me more units for this amount of spins, but also need more bank to play(later maybe I will explain it).

From my short experience with GUT, I really realize and notice what exactly Winkel and Azim speak about, about facts and experience, when and where to bet, and the right decisions you need to do. It is not so hard, I look and analyse through 30-50 spins and then I am ready to attack.

This is example from 8. session, there you can see my winning strike and my decision, how I bet on this:

1. 15-15-7-6-1-1-0 (I bet and win) My decision to bet on 15 was because of: 7+6+1+1=15
2. 15-14-8-7-1-1-0 (I bet and lose)
3. 15-13-9-8-1-1-0 (I bet and win)
4. 14-14-9-8-1-1-0 (I bet and win)
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.
.
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xx. 13-17-7-4-3-3-0 (I bet and win) This is same example like 1. one (7+4+3+3=17)

[-ShonE-]

...and here is spins of 10 sessions(what I play), so if some of you ask and want to analyse it, play or whatever.

[-ShonE-]

Guys! I play more and more, this is fantastic. I realize a lot of things there so I reduce my loses and increase a lot my winning, practically more then 3 times now, so in ~100 spins now I have 200+ units in some of session. This is truly Holy Grail system.

One really good way is to add progression, and of course look what happened with the numbers, so for example if I lose more then 4 times I switch to another group of numbers and bet there with continue of progressions. This is awesome system really.
My progression is 1-1-1-2-3-5, I almost never past this progression, it depends of amount of numbers of course, so this progression is most popular in my tests. Only one time I go to 8 units per numbers, but it was really almost one time.

In next few days I will post my results with next 10 sessions. It was abnormal increase, I am happy.

Winkel, thank you once again!! !

[RouletteGhost]

I wish I understood this, lol.

[A3on]

Been some time since last time i tried G.U.T
Got some nice results but had to stop for a while and after that I didn't had the "head" to go back on it.

I still remembered most of the stuff and I've read everything back, but there are a couple of "key points" that I fear i'm not getting right.

I would appreciate a lot if Winkel or anyone else could help me out

When winkel says:
"If trots are fast, don´t BET the early crossings
if trots are slow don´t BET the late crossings"
I know what fast and slow trots are and how to analyze it, but what does he mean here by early/late crossings?

"when it comes from 20 10 7 straight to 15 15 7 in 5 spins, would you BET on 0´s to hit again?" Just based on this information i would not.
"when it comes from 15 20 2 straight to 15 15 7 in 5 spins, would you BET on 0´s to hit?" I would bet here, especially if on the first check points the trot was fast (as I think 0's would catch up again)

and here for example:
"trot is fast, because there were no repeaters in the 13 first numbers
So be careful BETTING 1´s "
I really don't understand this statement winkel made. if we had so many 0's hits in a row I would be careful here BETTING on 0's. I would probably wait for a repeater to show up and start betting on 1's when a crossing appeared.
What is your opinion here?


Thanks in advance,
Afonso

[winkel]

"trot is fast, because there were no repeaters in the 13 first numbers So be careful BETTING 1´s "

Hi alonso,

you did understand everthing right.

for the quote:
As you remember I divided the trot by 13, 25, 37, to50

If 1st part 1- 13  is fast, don´t bet 1´s (because 0´s are likely to appear again)
Watch 2nd part 14 - 25 if it is fast, or slowing down, or 1´s start to to hit
Watch 3rd part 26 - 37 best part to play but watch refering to your first questions

in short: try to adupt the trend whether a few numbers or a lot of numbers will appear in 37-50 coups

br
winkel

[Azim]

Winkel,

Here is your theory in play.


I really appreciate your help on this.

For the rest of you.  Practice practice and more practice.

link:s://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=DB42187C82F8D954!221&authkey=!AAf9tgNhPDRYhV8&ithint=video%2cmp4

[6th-sense]

azim the link is not working or expired?

[Azim]

azim the link is not working or expired?

Lets try this one:
link:s://onedrive.live.com/redir?resid=DB42187C82F8D954!223&authkey=!AFC-DEHqWoZV-b8&ithint=video%2cmp4

[Normy2000]

@Azim,

Is this (in the video) session played with RNG?
I tought this strategy is for real roulette only.