Holy Grail By Winkel.

[Azim]

I dont know anything about this system. This is gut? Where do i begin

Here:

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.0

[RouletteGhost]

That will be my new years project. Hope its good lol

[RouletteGhost]

is there an android app for this yet, lol?

id hate to sit at the table with pen and paper

i get the gist of the system

when 19 numbers are left bet them so on and so forth

[LuckoftheIrish]

A user named mamas made a post here:

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.1155

He says:

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For 17, I only play the "1" if I have 17-17-3 at spin 23.
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Well I tested 162 150 sessions of 37 spins (almost 6 million spins) and only bet on spin 23 if it was 17-17-3 (based on mamas post) and I tracked both betting on 17 no shows, and 17 numbers that have one hit for spin 24.  The result was:

-4489 units betting for 16 18 (betting 17 no shows)
and
-4273 units betting for 17 16 (betting 17 numbers that have one hit)

[Azim]

A user named mamas made a post here:

link:://:.vlsroulette.com/index.php?topic=2128.1155

He says:

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For 17, I only play the "1" if I have 17-17-3 at spin 23.
--

Well I tested 162 150 sessions of 37 spins (almost 6 million spins) and only bet on spin 23 if it was 17-17-3 (based on mamas post) and I tracked both betting on 17 no shows, and 17 numbers that have one hit for spin 24.  The result was:

-4489 units betting for 16 18 (betting 17 no shows)
and
-4273 units betting for 17 16 (betting 17 numbers that have one hit)

Your numbers are correct.

I will not deny that.

However, I don't think you have understood the system/method. 

If you going to choose and pick only a couple of crossing, I can tell you, it will fail on you.It was proved.

You have to pick every crossing that there is..

Having said that , I have to re-phrase myself by saying you just can't play 0-1 or 0>1 crossings and only a 17-17 or 17-16 crossing. That will lose..
You have to play all possible crossing with 0's.  If you going to pick and choose a set number. Like its been done at 17 with just a crossing at 0. The house edge will get to you.

[Azim]

is there an android app for this yet, lol?

id hate to sit at the table with pen and paper

i get the gist of the system

when 19 numbers are left bet them so on and so forth

If you going to bet 19 number's you will lose.  that's not what this sytem/method says.

Hate to tell you. Might as well donate the money.

Please read the original post by Winkel again.
Sorry to be so upfront.

[LuckoftheIrish]

Your numbers are correct.

I will not deny that.

However, I don't think you have understood the system/method. 

If you going to choose and pick only a couple of crossing, I can tell you, it will fail on you.It was proved.

You have to pick every crossing that there is..

Having said that , I have to re-phrase myself by saying you just can't play 0-1 or 0>1 crossings and only a 17-17 or 17-16 crossing. That will lose..
You have to play all possible crossing with 0's.  If you going to pick and choose a set number. Like its been done at 17 with just a crossing at 0. The house edge will get to you.

Thank you for the helpful response.

But according to mamas post, could a person win long term using this approach betting on only 15, 16 and 17 numbers and never less?

[Azim]

NO. They will lose in the long run, unless you catch a very lucky break.

However, if you can see the table and read whats happening at that crossing. you might might get away with it.

[Azim]

Thank you for the helpful response.

But according to mamas post, could a person win long term using this approach betting on only 15, 16 and 17 numbers and never less?

Look at post 591 by Kon-Fu-Sed.  He did prove that the system would not work by betting only 1 crossing. Because that was the only crossing he tried. The house edge will get you.

This will not not win by just playing limited amount of crossings.  You have to read the full 80 pages, to understand, what Winkel was trying to explain.
Not saying Winkel is not smart, But I think, people were not understanding what he was trying to say.

Please read the complete thread and all your questions will be answered.

There is no easy way to getting this to work but to read and understand what Winkel was trying to explain.

[Azim]

Sorry I couldn't put the quote in because I have forgotten my password there.

[LuckoftheIrish]

Your numbers are correct.

I will not deny that.

However, I don't think you have understood the system/method. 

If you going to choose and pick only a couple of crossing, I can tell you, it will fail on you.It was proved.

You have to pick every crossing that there is..

Having said that , I have to re-phrase myself by saying you just can't play 0-1 or 0>1 crossings and only a 17-17 or 17-16 crossing. That will lose..
You have to play all possible crossing with 0's.  If you going to pick and choose a set number. Like its been done at 17 with just a crossing at 0. The house edge will get to you.

You say to play every possible crossing.  How far do you have to take this so it is a winner long term?

0,1
0>1
1>1
2>2
3>3 till how far exactly?

[Azim]

You say to play every possible crossing.  How far do you have to take this so it is a winner long term?

0,1
0>1
1>1
2>2
3>3 till how far exactly?

I am sorry. I will let Winkel answer that for you.

If I amswer that I am exposing what I have done over the last 8-9 months in 2 sentences.

And I don't think I want to lay this on a silver platter for anyone.

[LuckoftheIrish]

I am sorry. I will let Winkel answer that for you.

If I amswer that I am exposing what I have done over the last 8-9 months in 2 sentences.

And I don't think I want to lay this on a silver platter for anyone.

Can you at least tell me the session length?  50 spins is talked about a lot on the G.U.T long thread, but I have a feeling it is around 150 spins.

[Azim]

I am sorry to be very upfront.

It is something you will have to try it out.

It's not going to be laid out on a silver platter not from me at least.

I will again let Winkel answer that.

[LuckoftheIrish]

I have a strong idea of what I have to test in excel now.