Holy Grail By Winkel.

[Azim]

Winkel,
Not an issue. All I wanted to say was what "Kon-Fu-Sed" did was to take 37 people and throw them among sharks and say lets see who comes out safe.

I am sorry, no one will come out safe from that situation. Without an understanding of what sharks can do and can't do.

[MrG]

Hello, yesterday I came across following situation on spin 45, there is a crossing 0 vs >1.

Spin Number        0        1        >1        2        >2        3        >3               37        12        15        9        6          3         2         1               38        12        14        10      7          3         2         1               39        11        15        10      7          3         2         1               40        11        15        10      6          4         3         1               41        11        15        10      6          4         2         2               42        11        14        11      7          4         2         2               43        11        14        11      6          5         3         2               44        10        15        11      6          5         3         2               45        10        15        11      5          6         4         2               46        10        14        12      6          6         4         2

I decided to focus on numbers >1 in a way that they will go up. So I bet on numbers that fell once, because it is the only way numbers >1 can change (increase). And on spin 46 I won. I'm just wondering if this way of playing is OK? Though according to reply from Winkel to my previous question I would say it is.

[winkel]

Hello, yesterday I came across following situation on spin 45, there is a crossing 0 vs >1.

Spin Number        0        1        >1        2        >2        3        >3               37        12        15        9        6          3         2         1               38        12        14        10      7          3         2         1               39        11        15        10      7          3         2         1               40        11        15        10      6          4         3         1               41        11        15        10      6          4         2         2               42        11        14        11      7          4         2         2               43        11        14        11      6          5         3         2               44        10        15        11      6          5         3         2               45        10        15        11      5          6         4         2               46        10        14        12      6          6         4         2

I decided to focus on numbers >1 in a way that they will go up. So I bet on numbers that fell once, because it is the only way numbers >1 can change (increase). And on spin 46 I won. I'm just wondering if this way of playing is OK? Though according to reply from Winkel to my previous question I would say it is.

What you are doing is a more sophisticated way to play the GUT.

Your counting is not correct!
0+1+>1 = 12+15+9 = 36 you need a sum of 37

[MrG]

What you are doing is a more sophisticated way to play the GUT.

Your counting is not correct!
0+1+>1 = 12+15+9 = 36 you need a sum of 37

Thank you for answering and note about sum of numbers. Actually it is correct, because this is from RNG Betvoyager no zero wheel so there are 36 numbers.

[MrG]

Hello,

I'm still playing with GUT. I remember Winkel mentioned waves and speed of trot. Could someone, probably Winkel would be the right one, explain more these two things? It would be great if you could provide example spins with good wave, bad wave and describe how to decide when to bet.
Regarding speed of trot, Winkel wrote "If trots are fast, don´t bet the early crossings" and "if trots are slow don´t bet the late crossings". I know how to recognize if trot is fast or slow, but what it means not to bet early or late crossings? Again would be great to explain on some example spins.

Thank you.

[winkel]

Hi Mr.G,

early crossings:

If a trot starts 10 3 3 10 3 you will have a crossing 2vs3 in spin 5. Actually it would need another 10 to hit. Would you bet on this?
If you have a crossing 0s 17 and 1s 17 before spin 25 the trot is very fast. I wouldn´t bet this either.

If a trot is slow an you get 17vs16 at spin 37 you have to check the thing what is going on.
e.g. 0s bheaved like this 20 20 20 19 19 18 18 18 17
if all earlier crossings did move away, don´t bet: 20 19 -> 20 18 then 19 19 -> 19 18 and 19 17 then 18 18 -> 18 17 -> 18 16 you can be sure that 17vs17 or 17vs16 will also move away )it is like a wave 

Waves: I don´t know exactly what kind of waves you are talking about.
I defined 1 wave like this:
0s are always going down. >1s are always going up. Only 1s are going up - then up and down - and finally down.
So if you watch 1s behaving like this: 10 11 12 13 12 11 10 11 now you could bet on 12 coming up expecially if there´s a crosiing at that pont. It can be shorter as well like 13 12 13

Is this what you wanted to know?

br
winkel

[MrG]

Hi Mr.G,

early crossings:

If a trot starts 10 3 3 10 3 you will have a crossing 2vs3 in spin 5. Actually it would need another 10 to hit. Would you bet on this?
If you have a crossing 0s 17 and 1s 17 before spin 25 the trot is very fast. I wouldn´t bet this either.

If a trot is slow an you get 17vs16 at spin 37 you have to check the thing what is going on.
e.g. 0s bheaved like this 20 20 20 19 19 18 18 18 17
if all earlier crossings did move away, don´t bet: 20 19 -> 20 18 then 19 19 -> 19 18 and 19 17 then 18 18 -> 18 17 -> 18 16 you can be sure that 17vs17 or 17vs16 will also move away )it is like a wave 

Waves: I don´t know exactly what kind of waves you are talking about.
I defined 1 wave like this:
0s are always going down. >1s are always going up. Only 1s are going up - then up and down - and finally down.
So if you watch 1s behaving like this: 10 11 12 13 12 11 10 11 now you could bet on 12 coming up expecially if there´s a crosiing at that pont. It can be shorter as well like 13 12 13

Is this what you wanted to know?

br
winkel

Hello winkel,

I have looked at what you wrote several times, but I don't get it. That 10 3 3 10 3 what is not hit, hit once, hit twice, etc.? How do you know that there will be a crossing 2vs3 in spin 5 and that another 10 are needed to hit?
Why wouldn't you bet crossing 0s 17 and 1s 17 before spin 25? What do you expect to happen?
By wave I meant something you described as a wave rolling through columns. You wrote don´t play multiple waves
e.g. 11 15 14 8 play
e,g, 15 10 13 6 don´t play
This is what I asked if you could describe more.

Regarding speed of trot there are 4 control points at spins 13, 25, 37 and 49. There is one thing I'm wondering about. For example at spin 25 there shall be 18-19 unhit numbers, 18-19 hit numbers, 14-15 numbers that hit once and 3-5 numbers that hit more than once. What is the speed of trot when in these categories (unhit numbers, numbers hit once and numbers hit more than once) the speed is different? For example there are 16 unhit numbers = fast, there are 11 numbers that hit once = slow and 10 numbers hit more than once = fast. Or shall we consider it as 3 trots, one trot for unhit numbers, one trot for numbers hit once and one trot for numbers hit more than once?

Thank you for answering.

[nottophammer]

Hello Winkel
how do you work these numbers
25
13
17
16
21
16
36
4
6
32

9
31
34
1
17
10
23
22
30
30

5
29
24
2
26
0
18
19   28th spin
25
6

2
4
9
21
29
10
32
17
36
9  there 40 spins,  can you make good money with these numbers.

Thanks

[winkel]

Hi nottophammer,

at spin 13 there is 25 11 1 quite normal situation
at spin 23 there is already a crossing 0svs1s 17 17 This is much too early. I wouldn´t risk to bet this crossing even it is a fast trot.

at least at this point I would jump without any betting.

[nottophammer]

thanks for reply
Now i get the idea of the crossings but dont really see how your going to make loads of dollar.
As 28th spin 25 numbers have hit with 3 repeats, well you dont have to be to clever to know theres going to be some repeats,just who is going to repeat out the 25,the next 12 spins are all repeats and the 13th is 26th to hit,
the numbers

25
6
2
4
9
21
29
10
32
17
36
9
35 26 th to hit.

So with the 25 hit where do the repeats start to pay.

Winkel i love this idea but i'll have to go to page one and read how to understand the crossings, its like said to Ddarko when you first arrive to play all 37 numbers are due,its just knowing how to exploit this and this method  obviously has the potential to do this.

Perhaps i was a naughty boy as these are rng, but i dont think it makes any difference,as usually by 40spins there are 25 numbers gone roughly this law of the third,which to all intense and purpose looks like results of real wheel.

[winkel]

look at this attachement. How many crossings do you see crossing?

[nottophammer]

Hello Winkel.
The above looks like a saturday morning after a late friday night, beer goggles.
Now the serious stuff,HELP.
19  36-1
33  35-2
12  34-3
26  33-4
15  32-5
08  31-6
17  30-7
06  29-8
06  29-7-1
32  28-8-1
35  27-9-1
06  27- 9- 0-1
01  26-10-0-1
04  25-11-0-1
12  25-10-1-1
26  25-  9-2-1
26  25-  9-1-2
30  24-10-1-2
29  23-11-1-2
08  23-10-2-2
06  23-10-2-1-1
29  23-  9-3-1-1
26  23-  9-3-0-2  is this right way of recording, thanks

[ati]

Yes. I recommend using Normy's tracker. I use it all the time for all kind of tracking.

[ati]

I always wanted to give this a proper test, what's holding me back is that there is a GUT thread on basically every roulette forum, and apart from Azim and winkel, everyone says it doesn't work.
I wonder what happened to Azim, he couldn't convince anyone that this is indeed a profitable method, and he disappeared after the thread cooled down. I somewhat doubt he even plays this himself, but who knows, maybe he's milking the casinos.

[nottophammer]

Hi Ati
early days with this for me as its the one thing we know when we start all 37 numbers are due to hit,?
Now does the Gut reference mean some decisions are intuitive made from knowledge of what the columns are showing,or is it a definitely stick to the crossings