Holy Grail By Winkel.

[valnurat]

oki dokie.

Another thing is. I have been trying GUT and I must say there is something in my Heart that say that is very good, but for some reason I don't get a profit on this even though I think I do the right thing. But I was thinking if I give you my spin you could tell me what you would have done in my situation. Will that be ok?

My first 20 spin goes like this:

SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
1  9 36  1
2 20 35  2
3 23 34  3
4 27 33  4
5  6 32  5
6 16 31  6
7 35 30  7
8 14 29  8
9 19 28  9
10  1 27 10
11  3 26 11
12 26 25 12
13  6 25 11  1  1
14  7 24 12  1  1
15  6 24 12  1  0  1  1
16 33 23 13  1  0  1  1
17 36 22 14  1  0  1  1
18 25 21 15  1  0  1  1
19 31 20 16  1  0  1  1
20 34 19 17  1  0  1  1          - I would have been betting here, but I'm not sure. What would you have done?

[valnurat]

I guess I should have posted my exampel here:

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=15708.0

Sorry about that.

[winkel]

Basic Rule #1: don´t bet more than 17 numbers
Basic Rule #2: (for beginners) don´t bet before spin 25
Basic Rule #3: (for beginners) don´t bet after spin #50

[valnurat]

Thank you for the basic rules, but now rule 1 & 2 are in conflict.

SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
20 34 19 17  1  0  1  1  0
21 21 18 18  1  0  1  1  0
22 34 18 17  2  1  1  1  0
23 35 18 16  3  2  1  1  0
24 29 17 17  3  2  1  1  0         - What would you do in this situation? As I understand it. You will only bet 0 vs 1 and not
                                     2 vs >2 or 3 vs >3, because you bet the crossing with most numbers, right?

[RayManZ]

Hi winkel,

Could you tell me how your betting is affected by a slow normal or fast trot? You also stated somewhere that sometimes you'll increase your bets? What are good hints for an increased bet?

[nottophammer]

Hi valnurat
Gut as you know is waiting for a crossing.
Whilst waiting for that crossing Winkel gave you the 37 spin cycle broke down in to three parts 13th spin then 25 and the 37th spin,this gives info on how the trot is going,i find.
In your first 20 spins by the 11th spin the >1 have not hit,now the 13th spin Winkel says its possible you'll see 26-9-2,so i would start to bet the 1x's.

In the 1st 10 spins theres no repeat, so for me at spin 40 there could be only 12 0x left, if this happens, then during those 30 spins you'll have had 15 0x, hit, half the 30 spins. Now this is where understanding the trot comes in, believe me it can be hard to read.
So for the 25th spin i'd bet the crossing 17-17 misses, i'd bet the 1x +>1.

[winkel]

Thank you for the basic rules, but now rule 1 & 2 are in conflict.

SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
20 34 19 17  1  0  1  1  0
21 21 18 18  1  0  1  1  0
22 34 18 17  2  1  1  1  0
23 35 18 16  3  2  1  1  0
24 29 17 17  3  2  1  1  0         - What would you do in this situation? As I understand it. You will only bet 0 vs 1 and not
                                     2 vs >2 or 3 vs >3, because you bet the crossing with most numbers, right?

There are a lot of possible thinkings in this:
1) it is spin 24 and we woulde bet after 25
2) this trot is fast, so a bet could be possible on 0vs1
3) but as we see in the spins before the crossings are now fading away: 18 18; 18 17; 18 16 (would be 2 misses)

So I am in doubt and would wait to see if next crossing (17 17) fades away again (trot is slowing down) or crossings hit (fast trot stays fast)

Whatever comes up, same thinking will give me the hint to bet crossings of the favourite colums (2x, 3x, or higher) by tending trot to get slow.
By trending trot to stay fast b et crossings 0vs1 1vs>1 or 1vs2

[winkel]

Hi winkel,

Could you tell me how your betting is affected by a slow normal or fast trot? You also stated somewhere that sometimes you'll increase your bets? What are good hints for an increased bet?

see answer before

[valnurat]

SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
24 29 17 17  3  2  1  1  0
25  3 17 16  4  3  1  1  0

You want to bet on 0?

[nottophammer]

So the 1x +>1 = 20 units. Win

[nottophammer]

                                  0x- 1x- >1    2x  >2    3x
              25th spin is 17 -16-   4-   3-     1-    1
                                       0x -   1x    -    >1
Winkel says could be 18/19 - 14/15  - 03/05

Now at 37th spin we could see  >1 09/10 this would need the 1x to hit 5 or 6 times, which would be half of the next 12 spins.
I'd bet 1x+>1 20 units

[valnurat]

                                       0x -   1x    -    >1
Winkel says could be 18/19 - 14/15  - 03/05

Now at 37th spin we could see  >1 09/10 this would need the 1x to hit 5 or 6 times, which would be half of the next 12 spins.
I'd bet 1x+>1 20 units

I'm not sure where you get this. 

[nottophammer]

Some where in the posts Winkel posted how he breaks the 37 spin cycle into 3 parts
at 13th spin you could see
0x-26,1x-09,>1-02

25th spin could see

0x-18/19, 1x- 14/15, >1- 03/05

37th spin you could see 0x-13/14, 1x-13/14, >1- 09/10.

So in your reply 465 by the 10th spin you show no >1 have hit, so here is a chance for the 1x's to hit, as its possible to have the >1 be showing 2 hits at the 13th spin, but remember if you try to win here with the 1x's,your not really playing GUT,but making use of the trot
SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
1  9 36  1
2 20 35  2
3 23 34  3
4 27 33  4
5  6 32  5
6 16 31  6
7 35 30  7
8 14 29  8
9 19 28  9
10  1 27 10
11  3 26 11
12 26 25 12
13  6 25 11  1  1
14  7 24 12  1  1
15  6 24 12  1  0  1  1
16 33 23 13  1  0  1  1
17 36 22 14  1  0  1  1
18 25 21 15  1  0  1  1
19 31 20 16  1  0  1  1
20 34 19 17  1  0  1  1

[nottophammer]

 valnurat
what does the trot show.
To me, i dont know how many colour, dozens,column or put simply outside bets will hit in 37 spin cycle,
  But in the 37 spin cycle you know you will get X amount of  0x's hit.
Now watching the trot you will see form spin 1,  X amount of 0x's hit, if like in reply 465 after 10 spins no, >1's are showing, so the 1x's are to me over due, Oops i'm told in roulette nothing is due. Now the ? is do you still wait or bet the 1x's to hit, as said this type of bet is not Gut its using the trot.

[winkel]

SP ##  0  1 >1  2 >2  3 >3
24 29 17 17  3  2  1  1  0
25  3 17 16  4  3  1  1  0

You want to bet on 0?

NO! Watch the trot:
18 18
18 17
18 16
17 17
17 16 I predict next spin to 17 15

So I don´t bet this crossing and to get away from this fading away I would jump!