Holy Grail By Winkel.

[nottophammer]

Jimmie
8/10, 30 spins later 14 0x just 1 short of avg 15 in 30spins, looked what dropped in next spin.

[nottophammer]

Heres the old way i use to record how the 37 numbers hit. I wanted to know how the numbers were repeating,so tracked this way, when first saw Gut ignored it, but thank someone for bringing GUT up again. Now i could see how the methods were similar, but Gut showed me how or who was repeating. So a new paper tracker was needed, thus the GUT paper tracker evolved.

Back to KTF
The idea was to see how many of the 37 hit in first 10, didn't want more than 27/28 to be betting on over the next 30 spins.
So you see a 2 column for the 1st 10 spins, then 5 blocks of four, 11-20,21-30,31-40,41-50 and spins 51 to 60.
In spins 11 to 20 usually see 7 0x's, again thats usually. Spins 21 to 30 usually see 5 more 0x's hit and spins 31 to 40usually see 3 0x's, which over the 30 spins is 15 0x hits,

so the KTF sheet says during spins 11 to 40 we should on avg get 15 0x hits,
As you can see spins 11 to 20 produced 6 0x,1 less than the usual 7 hits, and i wrote 6+1, but spins 11 to 20 should really give 5, one third of the 15 hits we are expecting over the 30 spins.
In spins 21 to 30 you see at the bottom 10 + 0, 4 0x's have hit, 6+4 = 10, 0x in 20 spins .
So spins 31 to 40 would be expecting another 5 non hit (5, 0x) at the bottom is 22 so minus 1, the rng gave 14 non hit in 30 spins.

Where usually see  produced  7 non hit, 5 non hit and 3 non hit you can reference this to the trot or 5non hit, 5 non hit,5 non hit, again to the trot.

But what you really need as well is how long each of the 37 can miss for , like when the first 10 numbers have hit, how long can the 27 left take to come in, answer, to my records  which are not up todate is 5 spins on rng.
The avg for numbers to be hit, 11th to the 19th to be hit is on avg 2 spins, look at the sheet above or on GUT sheet in reply above, you'll see 12th non hit takes 3spins to hit 1 more than the avg2,same for the 14th non hit to be hit, this you can refer to on the trot, its just more info, the more the better.

[nottophammer]

2 games from earlier
1 ladbrokes Enfield,Windmill hill,  game 2 ladbroke Enfield,church street
Game 1 went ok won 56units.
Game 2 how many zeros  still made a profit of 8 units as the pessky zero not covered when cheap spinning.
Again all rng

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removed Law's posting. PM should stay there...in PM.

The clue is in the word PRIVATE. Any issues, click the report to Mod button or PM a mod ...oh, didnt I already say that a few times?

Sorry if others had their posts deleted because they have a quote in.

[nottophammer]

Hi Winkel/Azim
Do you think be okay to go for a  hit 3, by this i mean start to bet the >1 after say 19th spin, lets say the 19th reads 23-9-5-5
it comes in 6spins later 19-12-6-5-1-1  a 3 unit profit.

[nottophammer]

The 2 sheets above would win

[Azim]

Hi Winkel/Azim
Do you think be okay to go for a  hit 3, by this i mean start to bet the >1 after say 19th spin, lets say the 19th reads 23-9-5-5
it comes in 6spins later 19-12-6-5-1-1  a 3 unit profit.

For me It would depend on how the numbers are falling. Again betting 5 numbers I would have tried it too. but and fewer than 4 i would skip that.

[nottophammer]

Thanks Azim
When going for the above,we are aiming for a win within the 36units, so we could increase the units to return 72 units and so on

[nottophammer]

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Re: Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea
« Reply #608 on: December 05, 2015, 11:39:02 AM »

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    So when you math boys going to produce the fomula to beat roulette.


You already have it in GUT. Shouldnt that be enough?

Good enough for me £11.00 for .20p units. Especially the 2x+3x

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Re: Grassroots-1,2,3 A dozens idea
« Reply #608 on: December 05, 2015, 11:39:02 AM »

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Quote from: nottophammer on December 05, 2015, 11:13:39 AM

    So when you math boys going to produce the fomula to beat roulette.


You already have it in GUT. Shouldnt that be enough?

Good enough for me £11.00 for .20p units. Especially the 2x+3x

Here's the problem with GUT:

Winkel and others never give rules for the system.

Instead, they say that there are multiple ways to play the crossings, where some will succeed while others will fail.

If they had beat the game using math as you wrote above, then it would be easy to explain the system with hard and fast rules.

GUT has yet to be presented as a proven long-term winning system. If it had, then some on this forum would have adopted it and played it for profit.

...............I'm still waiting for this to happen.........

Now, cue the excuses :

+ you just want everything handed to you

+ I win with the system consistently, but I don't want to prove it ()

+ I've already presented enough of the system for everyone to figure it out (again....no one coming forward with proof of long-term wins)

Other "Winning" Strategies:

Pattern Breaker

Pinwheel

Code 4

Target Betting

Matrix

Number of Long-term proven winners for all of the systems above : 00

[nottophammer]

The law
Have you tracked Gut free hand.

[thelaw]

The law
Have you tracked Gut free hand.

No.......nor have I tested Pattern Breaker, or learned Kimo Li's Pinwheels.

Again, where are the success stories?

[nottophammer]

Do memebers find the tracking of Gut the problem.

As i see it, if you keep a picture of Winkels graph  in your Mind,okay its there but you cant hold it. Now the game starts,so whats due, a 1X so the graph in your mind is 36 - 0X's, 1 - 1X opposite ends of the graph.
Okay the 10th spin on sheet just posted 28 - 0x,  8 - 1x, 1 - >1 and 1 - 2x. so in this mental graph the 0x's are dropping and the others are going up, eventually to cross.
Now Winkel to me gave you a clue for the trot with the 37 spin cycle, he broke it in to three parts,the 13, 25 and 37th spins with there avg. Now this is where you can have a bet if your like me, prior to the crossing which you should be seeing in your mental graph.
Now average is Math,so do you ignore it, no, you give it respect, at the 13th spin it could read 26-9-2 but its 27-7-3-3 so the 1x's are repeating.
Now you have 12 spins to come at the 25th it could be 18/19-14/15-03/05, so the trot could get 7/8 0x's, so watch how they fall, if you get 5 0x's on the trot and still 7 spins to go,aren't we expecting the 1X's and >1 to hit, not neccessarilly the >1, to me they seem to show more after the 19/20th spin. Like today it came on the 30th spin.

Any more or to hard to see

[thelaw]

Do memebers find the tracking of Gut the problem.

As i see it, if you keep a picture of Winkels graph  in your Mind,okay its there but you cant hold it. Now the game starts,so whats due, a 1X so the graph in your mind is 36 - 0X's, 1 - 1X opposite ends of the graph.
Okay the 10th spin on sheet just posted 28 - 0x,  8 - 1x, 1 - >1 and 1 - 2x. so in this mental graph the 0x's are dropping and the others are going up, eventually to cross.
Now Winkel to me gave you a clue for the trot with the 37 spin cycle, he broke it in to three parts,the 13, 25 and 37th spins with there avg. Now this is where you can have a bet if your like me, prior to the crossing which you should be seeing in your mental graph.
Now average is Math,so do you ignore it, no, you give it respect, at the 13th spin it could read 26-9-2 but its 27-7-3-3 so the 1x's are repeating.
Now you have 12 spins to come at the 25th it could be 18/19-14/15-03/05, so the trot could get 7/8 0x's, so watch how they fall, if you get 5 0x's on the trot and still 7 spins to go,aren't we expecting the 1X's and >1 to hit, not neccessarilly the >1, to me they seem to show more after the 19/20th spin. Like today it came on the 30th spin.

Any more or to hard to see

So are you winning with this strategy? 

[nottophammer]

yes, but theres a but, whilst playing gut i'm looking for other bets and this is where i get in trouble.
Gut usually makes a really bad loss not so bad as i get some of the lost units back. Time after time i say just play Gut, but grasroots comes up, so i give it a try most times its behaving, but yesterday no, hit 1,3,2- 1,3,2.
Also i play 99% of the time on wait for it RNG