Holy Grail By Winkel.

[Azim]

I havent looked too much into it

But with pen and paper can you play on airball?

To play in real world with no bot and no rng how long is a session?

Yes, you can use paper and pen with airball.
Airball is very easy to beat with GUT.  TRUST me RG, I only play airball. I have 3 machines walking distance to each other.

[Drazen]

Enjoy happy hunting and Merry Christmas and happy new year to you all.

Many answered questions of yours from professor should make understaning GUT better.

Oh I thought you wont come back 

Great you stopped to writte a line 

All the best for incoming holidays!

[RouletteGhost]

Notto and azim

Seems i have work to do

I have over 10 airball machines 30 mins away. 3 are euro

[button]

The only thing is people look over your shoulder out of curiosity, even when asked what doing they just shrug shoulders because its to much work for them, they just want to win thousands for nothing,wont happen.

This is the problem with most, they do not want to work, just get handed a solution so they can win and continue with thier lazy way of life.

GUT works, it just requires lots of practice. Huge amounts.  Most people will not put in the time.  Everyone should be thanking Winkel for providing this gem.

[thelaw]

This is the problem with most, they do not want to work, just get handed a solution so they can win and continue with thier lazy way of life.

GUT works, it just requires lots of practice. Huge amounts.  Most people will not put in the time.  Everyone should be thanking Winkel for providing this gem.

Yes.....a system that works effectively to beat Roulette long-term...........except for any proof whatsoever.....

So, other than any facts or evidence, it's a perfect system!

[button]

Yes.....a system that works effectively to beat Roulette long-term...........except for any proof whatsoever.....

So, other than any facts or evidence, it's a perfect system!

Have you read any of the threads about it?  Have you tried it?  If not why not? Are you waiting for someone to prove to you that it works before "wasting" your time?

[thelaw]

Have you read any of the threads about it?  Have you tried it?  If not why not? Are you waiting for someone to prove to you that it works before "wasting" your time?

If you claim to have a working system, then the burden of proof is on you. If not, then why present it on a forum.......just keep it for yourself!!!

I have done the same with any system that I tested on this or any other forum.

GUT can't be fully tested, as all of the rules are not presented................now why would that be?

[button]

GUT can't be fully tested, as all of the rules are not presented................now why would that be?

GUT has been fully tested, but then how would you know if you haven't read the threads? I assume you haven't read them, because if you had you would not be saying what you are saying.  If you have read the threads and do not understand how GUT works you are either not smart enough to understand or not prepared to put in the work to get the expertise required to understand and make it work for you.  Ignorance is no excuse for running down a system that you do not understand or even bother to try.

GUT works and is probably one of the best systems I have ever seen.  The rules are few and not difficult to understand.  They are fully explained in the threads, but it really does take a lot of practice to understand how to use and that puts people off.  There are even trackers made by very generous members to help.

This is how I see you waiting for someone to hand you the perfect system.

[RouletteGhost]

the forum needs more people with a slight sense of humor, and less name calling and more people looking to help....this should not be happening...and neither should of what happened in the grassroots thread...if people are testing and posting tests leave them alone...it scares new people away

the law you should have known and expected this type of response.....

instead of arguing and being petty lets discuss the method?

some good posters just came into the thread to what? add to the bullcrap? talk about roulette......instead

[button]

the forum needs more people with a slight sense of humor, and less name calling and more people looking to help....this should not be happening...and neither should of what happened in the grassroots thread...if people are testing and posting tests leave them alone...it scares new people away

the law you should have known and expected this type of response.....

Did I miss something RG?  What is happening?

thelaw will always get a response like this because he is very negative if something is not explained to his level of understanding, it is that simple. The GUT thread(s), there are multiple, have explained everything very clearly for anyone with the inclination to read them and try to understand.  More than one member has tried to explain how it works, not just it's creator Winkel.  If that is not enough for someone to grasp they should just leave it and not say anything.

Personally I like MrJ's philosophy of take it or leave it.

[RouletteGhost]

Did I miss something RG?  What is happening?

thelaw will always get a response like this because he is very negative if something is not explained to his level of understanding, it is that simple. The GUT thread(s), there are multiple, have explained everything very clearly for anyone with the inclination to read them and try to understand.  More than one member has tried to explain how it works, not just it's creator Winkel.  If that is not enough for someone to grasp they should just leave it and not say anything.

Personally I like MrJ's philosophy of take it or leave it.

believe me. i know how it feels to test the hell out of something and explain it and prove it works with examples and then have people come and be negative....

[thelaw]

Did I miss something RG?  What is happening?

thelaw will always get a response like this because he is very negative if something is not explained to his level of understanding, it is that simple. The GUT thread(s), there are multiple, have explained everything very clearly for anyone with the inclination to read them and try to understand.  More than one member has tried to explain how it works, not just it's creator Winkel.  If that is not enough for someone to grasp they should just leave it and not say anything.

Personally I like MrJ's philosophy of take it or leave it.

Absolutely false.

The multiple GUT threads have not described the rules of the betting method, hence why I posted a response to this in the first place. If there were specific hard and fast rules, I would be happy to test it to see if it works. But this is the problem; no clear rules, so you can't effectively test it. I read through the thread thoroughly, but stopped when I realized that there were pieces of the method missing.........where people should make "judgement calls". This is simple math, not a piece of conceptual art open to interpretation.

Buttons, with all due respect, you have now taken the same tact as everyone else claiming success with GUT............All Hat No Cattle.

You claim to have a working system, and yet you have shown zero proof, and instead choose to point the finger at others to "test for themselves".

Why come to a forum if we can't stand on the shoulders of giants...........that's how progress is made. I've done my homework on each and every thread that I started with complete transparency.......why is this so hard for everyone?

Can you imagine if Ignatus posted one of his graphs and then just part of his method.............we would lose respect instantly.

Roulette has a long and embarrassing history of people claiming to have beat the wheel; with great claims comes great responsibility........the burden of proof.

Yet here we are again, with yet another member claiming to have a successful system.........and when challenged for proof...........they say "go find it yourself".

I started by responding to Notthammer's claim of the "math guys" beating the game.............which I have yet to see.

35+ pages and no proof

You want to know why we don't have a working method yet.............because people are spending time on these wild goose chases!!!

Look at the Grassroots thread as a perfect example of a complete method. Everyone was able to weigh in because it was articulated clearly, and then judge it properly. No "misinterpretations" or lack of understanding.

If the method is too complex, then break it up into pieces..........this ain't rocket science, just simple math. 

[RouletteGhost]

Look at the Grassroots thread as a perfect example of a complete method. Everyone was able to weigh in because it was articulated clearly, and then judge it properly. No "misinterpretations" or lack of understanding.

If the method is too complex, then break it up into pieces..........this ain't rocket science, just simple math. 

Not entirely true. Noone judged properly for the most part. Just members who assumed it cannot work. The negative judgements were from posters who probably did not test it. And they probably didn't know there is about 5 variations. My charts were ignored.

It went down an unfair path.

But instead of it getting me down i continue to post tests and my inbox gets filled with interest. Why? The new members are scared to post in fear of that same criticism so they PM instead.  A damn shame.

If you disagree or think it cannot work say so and leave the thread. No harsh criticism. No extreme negativity. Just hey man good work on testing it but i dont think it works and leave it at that

I have 9 smites from that thread and all i did is what the forums made for. Tested. Posted charts. Posted proof from real spins. And people get angry and negative.

[thelaw]

Not entirely true. Noone judged properly for the most part. Just members who assumed it cannot work. The negative judgements were from posters who probably did not test it. And they probably didn't know there is about 5 variations. My charts were ignored.

It went down an unfair path.

But instead of it getting me down i continue to post tests and my inbox gets filled with interest. Why? The new members are scared to post in fear of that same criticism so they PM instead.  A damn shame.

If you disagree or think it cannot work say so and leave the thread. No harsh criticism. No extreme negativity. Just hey man good work on testing it but i dont think it works and leave it at that

I have 9 smites from that thread and all i did is what the forums made for. Tested. Posted charts. Posted proof from real spins. And people get angry and negative.

RG,

I know that you disagreed with some of the comments on your grassroots thread, but the bet selection was explained clearly, as shown by many members understanding and tweaking your system. All threads will have criticism........my comments have nothing to do with you....just using your thread as an positive example.

My criticism of GUT is based on the continued claims from members of their personal success without proof.

I would have called you on the same behavior if you had claimed long-term success with the 1-2-3 strategy. Imagine if you never tested Grassroots again, and then just dropped in on other threads every once-in-a-while and claimed it was a successful system. You would be a fraud. But if you had ten thousand spins under your belt, then you could present charts, Wiesbaden reference info, casino receipts, etc. to show your proof.

If we have a system, then we need to show it publicly in its entirety or not show it at all.

[button]

What is the definition of proof that something works?  I win a million dollars betting one way, is that proof?  How do I prove it? Why should I prove it?  What right do you have to demand proof something works?  You have not paid any money for the information provided.

Again I really, really like MrJ's philosophy, take it or leave it.  If I am not selling you anything and freely lay out a method for you to use and you don't want to try it or believe me when I say it works, too bad.

Winkel layed out a way to play, it works for me and many others.  I am happy with that.  I don't use it anymore, but not because it doesn't work.