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An interesting MM riddle

Started by kingsroulette, Jan 11, 12:59 AM 2014

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kingsroulette

We are betting an EC and get such results in L/W
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
W
L
W
L
W
      21 losses versus 10 wins. We need to bet everytime. How can we win?
Please do not reverse engineer this particular sequence to get an answer. The MM should be able to beat another scatter of same number of Wins and Losses. Any takers?

ati

This would win 2 units if we play 10 spin series, would lose 1 unit played with seven spin series.
link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=13374.0

kingsroulette

@Ati,
  Can u elaborate step by step?

ati

We start with betting 1 unit for ten spins.
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1
L -1 At this point we are at -10 units, so at the next spin we start betting 10 units +1 for profit.

W +11 First spin wins, we are at +1 unit, so we start an other 10 spin series with 1 unit.

L -1
L -1
W +1
W +1
L -1
L -1
W +1
L -1
L -1
W +1 At this point we are at -1 unit, so we need to bet 2 to cover the loss and +1 for profit.

W +3 First wins again, the profit now +2 units, we can start again with 1.

L -1
W +1
L -1
L -1
W +1
L -1
W +1
L -1
W +1 At this point we are at +1 unit profit.

This was somewhat ideal, because we won the first spin after every raise, but we would need to bet until we are in profit, or we reach the ten spins, then we have to raise again the same way.
It might not be the best way to profit, just an example. And I doubt someone has the patient to play this way.

kingsroulette

Ok,
     Now try the same progression in this situation having same count of L/W:
L
L
L
L
W
W
L
L
W
L
L
L
W
L
L
L
W
W
L
W
L
L
L
L
W
L
W
L
W
L
L




TwoCatSam

error on my part...cannot remove..

If dogs don't go to heaven, when I die I want to go where dogs go.  ...Will Rogers

dennisbelle

Look at the previous decisions in the L/W registry.  Bet for whichever is dominate in the last 9 decisions (L or W).  Bet maximum of 2 times for a win, stop after 1 bet if you win  then wait for the next dominant result before betting again.  After each decision look back at the last 9 decisions to determine what is dominant (L or W).  I got this idea from a post on this board but I cannot find it at the moment to give the original poster the credit.  In preliminary testing it seems to work pretty well.
The original poster suggested using "The 5 Deputies" money management although I found that a little to risky for me.  It seems to work nicely on the L/W decisions posted above.

kingsroulette

@Dennisbelle
         I am just asking to work upon the L/W that has come up to us betting an EC. Not asking for another bet suggestion. Just work out a progression that can handle such cases while betting every time.

chiricahua

Try with this, HP Johnson method

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11263.0

chiricahua

Quote from: chiricahua on Jan 11, 10:46 AM 2014
Try with this, HP Johnson method

link:://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=11263.0

Similar idea, well explained is here:

link:://betselection.cc/even-chance-8/can-you-win-5-bets-in-50/?topicseen

superman

There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

kingsroulette

@SUPERMAN,
        Would you mind illustrating your way on both L/W situations?

superman

There's only one way forward, follow random, don't fight with it!

Ignore a thread/topic that mentions 'stop loss', 'virtual loss' and also when a list is provided of a progression, mechanical does NOT work!

kingsroulette

Quote from: superman on Jan 11, 11:16 AM 2014
Yes I would, was just feeding food for thought. Pointless working an exact progression for a historical set of data, the same patterns may never repeat so why bother.


You shouldn't have bothered to suggest your progression too. Beating only a particular favorable situation and boasting of that is like making fun of your own.
       In the beginning of the thread I started with saying that, "Please do not reverse engineer this particular sequence to get an answer. The MM should be able to beat another scatter of same number of Wins and Losses. Any takers?"

donjuan

Kingsroulette  Your First result with my progression (TFprogression)

   L   -10
   L   -7
   L   -8
   L   -9
   L   -13
   L   -17
   L   -22
   L   -30
   L   -40
   L   -53
   W   71
   L   -107
   L   -95
   W   126
   W   189
   L   -10
   L   -7
   W   8
   L   -11
   L   -8
   W   9
   W   15
   L   -10
   W   7
   L   -11
   L   -8
   W   9
   L   -15
   W   13
   L   -20
   W   17

         total   -47  =  -4.7 units

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