Which online casino is the best + Invincible system to reveal

[steven1212]

Hey all,

I just re read the thread and realized that my screenshot of the Paddy Power live roulette table did not go through the first time so here it is again.

As you can see on the screenshots, the limits for dozens and column are min 1gpb - max 12,000 gpb. This is what I'm talking about.
It's a fantastic opportunity for us who have a system that is invisible with a Martingale prog.

But I need the help from people who have used paddy power. Is this real? Will the limits remain the same when I actually deposit money in my account or is it just a lure ? More importantly, will they remain the same when I start martingaling ? Will they pay me out ?

If anyone can give is us info it will be greatly appreciated.

Regards,

Steven

[ausguy]

Steven1212 - I've run off the rails there with my info. I was posting late so it goes to show what mistakes you can make when tired. I've had a sleep & I can't believe the errors I've made there.

Yes you're correct on the 1 : 121 thing there for the bet limit. 1 : 179 is the single BR needed then multiplied by 2 for the total BR.

The Grand Martingale Progression GMP on the double dozen bets is perhaps a poor description from me. More appropriate would be the double dozen Marty triple up bets.
The 1-1, 3-3 is correct but the rest is rubbish except as you say for the EC bets. For 5 levels & to win just 1 unit it needs to be 1-1,3-3,9-9,27-27,81-81 @ 242 total.

Just looking at your 1-1, 4-4, 13-13, 40-40, 121-121  5 level progression I calc. any wins as matching whatever level the win is achieved at. I see that each level is x3 + 1.

So on any win, L1 = +1, L2  = +2, L3 = +3, L4 = +4 & L5 = +5.  My experience is that a lot of wins will come at L1 & L2 so you would not be getting +3 unit wins until L3. Adding the theoretical wins of all 5 levels is +15/5 = +3 average but as the wins won't be evenly distributed the average should be below +2, maybe in the +1.5 range ?

As to the MM element I think you will find it difficult to fit your progression into many casinos table limits ? Many casinos don't want to give too big of a progression advantage as they are well aware of systematic players.

As to opening up an account in a friends name I think that's a can of worms. It's the human factor as what interest you may find your friend far less enthusiastic ? Also valid would be his worry about his normal transactions being mixed up with your casino transactions, Although some nice "free" money usually relieves stress ?

An alternative would be to open up an extra account in your friends name that you could operate, Visa or Mastercard linked. Surely that could come later as there would be plenty of "lettuce" available from just the account/card you have now ?  Another worry for you would be the same bet patterns from different accounts. Casino software checks all these things. If they "smell a rat" they won't pay out. One thing they'd ID would be a new account with little transaction history. Read about that in Smart Live &/or Party Casino's terms & conditions.

Spending as much time as necessary in searching for suitable on line casinos would be worthwhile, even if you have to sign up to find out. You can always flick the ones that don't stack up. Having 4 or 5 non linked casinos A/C's should be more than enough to keep you going for a long long time ? I see you've found Paddy Power potentially very good. Why don't you spend a little bit of money & sign up to play & then you'll answer your doubts 100% ? I think PP uses the same dealers as Party ?

Unfortunately PP blocks A/C's in many countries. My OZ is one, USA is two. For OZ I think it's The Isle Of Man factor that stops it, probably some compliance issue. ? USA regs limit just about all international play. Many forum members are US based & a few from OZ too.

Money laundering is the main concern for governments/gaming regulators worldwide. Casinos are tightly regulated & any money over $10,000 (here in OZ) withdrawn requires ID at B & M casinos plus the transaction is reported. It's the same with on line A/C's except they already have your ID so it's automatically reported.
Before on line casinos payout they check that everything matches. Playing from a different country for example would probably see them stopping the withdrawal ?

I agree with you about the 6 point divisor. As you are well aware of all the pro's & cons with it so no need to say any more about that.

Steve - when are you going to post your system/method ? Some in play examples would also be good.

[steven1212]

Augury, nice hearing from you and glad to know that we agree on the progression now! To finish off with this topic, I want to let you know that 80%+ of the wins will come on the first bet. Around 20% on the second bet. Very few times it will push the progression to the third step and I don't remember seeing it fail. The 4th and 5th steps are just for security and peace of mind during continuous play.

Regarding my system, I have already started writing it down for all of you guys. It's a bit lengthy to expose and I want to make sure it's all very clear so that all of you understand it from the very first post...

It will come this week to the forum. Will warn you a few hours before. In the meantime, if you haven't read amk's code 4 (which is the spine of my system) please study it thoroughly.

I'm just a bit dispointed that no one is helping me regarding the paddy power issue. I know some are probably watching this thread with the answer I want but don't care to share it. They are just waiting for my system to come out. I wish it could go both ways....  Please come out of your silence pm you who has the answer I,m seeking!

I'm off to bed now. Cheers!

[ausguy]

Steve - PP has a great spread. If they show it & you've put the image up, then that's what it is.

Now the not so good news. I was looking at PP's Terms & Conditions & found at item 3. Registration Process, Prohibited juristrictions, then 3rd line down click LINK for the full list of banned A/C countries. Belgium & France is on there plus Germany & Spain. USA, Canada & OZ & plenty more.

So at this stage it looks like no go for you at PP. It might have something to do with being incorporated in Ireland, reg'd office in the Isle Of Man & the Gambling Juristriction controlled in the Channel Islands ? (Off the coast at Normandy, it seems they govern themselves as does the Isle Of Man). I can only think they may not be members of some kind of International betting agency compliance group ? There may be money laundering issues ?

[weddings]

Have you tried betfair? So far only betfair and paddy has the best spread. Betfair pays me in 24 hours usually. About your system no outside bets can win for long. It is either you have been lucky till now or your test is not sufficient. Time will tell.

[amk]

I might be missing something Steven as I have not read all post but if you want a 5 step progression on two dozens it's.  1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81

This gives you plus 1 unit on each step and since you feel you will never lose a progression I would use this progression as you can play at any live casino and you can always get a bot made to play for you online. just rotate playing at 5 or more casinos.

[ausguy]

Weddings - What country are you in ? I Just had a look at Betfair casino (USA) in their Terms & Conditions & they don't seem too orientated to overseas accounts ?

I logged into live chat & waited 15 minutes for a response but gave up waiting. I see something about taxes on wins over $1,200 ? Overall it seems like too many hurdles to jump over.

[ausguy]

AMK - My post #61 & Stevens post #62 discusses that very 5 level progression subject. Steven wants to win more than just one unit for any bet level above L1 that the std. triple up gives, thus his step up progression.

In his post today @ 6:49pm he says that nearly all his bets win at either L1 or L2 with an occassional bet at L3.    L4 & L5 are there as back up.

It's proving, so far, a challenging task to find 5 or more suitable casinos.

His method, to be revealed later this week, will show how different it is to how most of us play the dbl. dozens. (how different can you play 2 out of 3 positions ?)

Weddings - I think your opinion on 2 : 1 bets (& EC's) is close to the mark. I played the 2 : 1's quite a lot last year both B & M & on Line.
I was only playing to L3  as 1-1, 3-3, 9-9. Any L3 loss (26 units) I'd stop betting & either return later for on line play or switch tables at B & M play.

Obviously 26 single wins is needed to recover. Kept spin records sometimes showed losses past L5. Zero is often a factor also. A L5 loss will either send you bust or make a big hole in the BR. As that's a 358 unit outlay risk for 5 levels.   

[Chris555p]

Hi Steven

Have a look at Dafabet.com based in Phillipines, but authorized to play in Belgium.


Cheers

Chris

[weddings]

Since he is sure that it nv goes above 4th or 5th level why not put all his bankroll there. If you are not confident in putting all your money there then you are not sure. Why insist on +1 on each level of your progression? If system is a winning one you just have to play more to earn. Unless you are waiting for a virtual loss in your system which is a long trigger to wait for. But that shows you have encountered a loss in your testings, thus waiting for that trigger.

[martinnng]

I've just checked it on BetVoyager and the only way u can deposit and withdraw money are through Neteller and Skrill.
The only wire transfer option BV offers is through Skrill.

I just see the BV depositing page and in my account they offer these types of deposits, including MasterCard & Visa.

[steven1212]

Dear ausguy, this is exactly why I need to use a friends name or create a PP account from an authorized country, and this is exactly why I need to be sure of what I do before I'm doing it. Thank for your research and contribution.

Steve - PP has a great spread. If they show it & you've put the image up, then that's what it is.

Now the not so good news. I was looking at PP's Terms & Conditions & found at item 3. Registration Process, Prohibited juristrictions, then 3rd line down click LINK for the full list of banned A/C countries. Belgium & France is on there plus Germany & Spain. USA, Canada & OZ & plenty more.

So at this stage it looks like no go for you at PP. It might have something to do with being incorporated in Ireland, reg'd office in the Isle Of Man & the Gambling Juristriction controlled in the Channel Islands ? (Off the coast at Normandy, it seems they govern themselves as does the Isle Of Man). I can only think they may not be members of some kind of International betting agency compliance group ? There may be money laundering issues ?

[steven1212]

Weddings - I users bet fair a lot for football bets and I like their poker exchange game too,. Yeah, you guessed right. I love gambling!
But from what I remember they offer very very low limits on live dealer roulette tables. Or has this changed ?

Have you tried betfair? So far only betfair and paddy has the best spread. Betfair pays me in 24 hours usually. About your system no outside bets can win for long. It is either you have been lucky till now or your test is not sufficient. Time will tell.

[steven1212]

Amk,

Since by now I got greedy I like to use a grand martingale thus the progression 1,4,13,40,121. Every spin I get 1 unit more than the previous so by the 5th step of the progression the profit would be +5.
Also, I say that my system (which is actually more your system than my system!) works because the losing events are way too rare for you to around that one time in 500,000 thousand that it will lose. Like I said, I have yet to see it fail the 3rd step of the prog.
So my theory is that since it does go to 2nd and 3rd step sometimes, why not use this opportunity to make more cash. The end result is that I reach my daily goal faster, I get to spend the money faster too, and I don't need to linger on at the table and I reduce the chances to face the 1 in 500,000 sequence that could kill me....

Please hang around because I will soon reveal the system I created that is the system you created which is the system JL created. You will like it....

I might be missing something Steven as I have not read all post but if you want a 5 step progression on two dozens it's.  1-1, 3-3, 9-9, 27-27, 81-81

This gives you plus 1 unit on each step and since you feel you will never lose a progression I would use this progression as you can play at any live casino and you can always get a bot made to play for you online. just rotate playing at 5 or more casinos.

[steven1212]

5 steps + all BR is just for extra safety and peace of mind. I'm very confident.... Why insist on +1 more each step. I'm in a rush to spend all the money I'm about to make. Not virtual loss or trigger for me. Although if you did you'd make sure that you never ever loose your BR. Only problem: i haven't seen a loss yet. You might fall asleep before your trigger comes....

Since he is sure that it nv goes above 4th or 5th level why not put all his bankroll there. If you are not confident in putting all your money there then you are not sure. Why insist on +1 on each level of your progression? If system is a winning one you just have to play more to earn. Unless you are waiting for a virtual loss in your system which is a long trigger to wait for. But that shows you have encountered a loss in your testings, thus waiting for that trigger.