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Started by steven1212, Jan 31, 01:39 PM 2014

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steven1212

Quick update about the football betting challenge. As you can see on the screenshot the balance is now at £209. This is because I lost the first session. Fortunately, I was already far into the session when I lost a bet so the loss wasn’t too bad. Today i am starting the second session, hoping this time i will reach the target.
I’m pretty happy the first session was lost because it will be a good example for you to see the recouping capabilities of my money management. Just to refresh your memory, we started with £240. First attack was of £80 so the first target was £320. But we lost that session which brought the balance to 209£.

The new attack size is 70£. Starting the session right now.

Talk soon.

DoctorSudoku

Quote from: atlantis on Sep 29, 06:18 AM 2017
H cht,
Another easy DD method to consider is "Trending Dozens" by GLC:

link:s://:.rouletteforum.cc/index.php?topic=12719.0

Use the progression shown or your own pref.
A.

Quote from: GLC on May 15, 01:10 AM 2013

Here's the system.  I've been playing this on my airball machine for quarters. 

1-1; 2-2; 3-3; 4-4; 5-5; 6-6; 7-7; etc...


So far I've never had to bet more than 12-12 and even then I wasn't that much in the hole.  And betting 12-12 is a pretty low bet for double dozens.
Enjoy,
GLC


Yes, the proposed progression was only feasible for the author because he was playing at an airball machine (in Arizona) for only quarters (see highlighted quote above).

In most US casinos, the minimum betting amounts are much higher, especially with dealer-spun wheels (even most airball machines have minimum betting amounts that are in the $5 to $10 range).

At a $5 table, a 12-12 double dozen bet means a $60-$60 bet for the two dozens.

And at a $10 table, the 12-12 double dozen bet translates into a $120-$120 bet for the two dozens.

When discussing negative progressions, too many people too conveniently (or maybe too negligently) ignore real life conditions and restrictions that exist at the tables.

This has ramifications for those of us who are in the US -- most of the time, we have to play at actual brick-and-mortar casinos with the above-mentioned conditions and restrictions (since our online playing options are severely limited).
What is the fastest way of destroying your bankroll at the casino?

Play roulette with GLC's progressions.

kingmaq

I am sure many of you have heard about charlie Barley's strategy... it's mainly based on permutations (7 cycle repeated colour permutation ).
i wonder if we can use it with steven's MM.

Turner

Quote from: kingmaq on Sep 30, 05:38 PM 2017
I am sure many of you have heard about charlie Barley's strategy... it's mainly based on permutations (7 cycle repeated colour permutation ).
i wonder if we can use it with steven's MM.

Here is an open question for you :thumbsup:

Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?


Small print

You are about to use it like it is some panacea.
You must realize something in it that you can explain here
You must also realize that everytime you re-visit the table, be that each spin, be that hit and run, be that taking past spins as a trigger, be that following patterns, or a lack of patterns, you always have less money than you should have due to unfair payout and that means that your success or failure is constantly eroded over time due to house edge. You know all this because you understand that this is a negative expectation game


Madi


DoctorSudoku

Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 06:49 PM 2017
Here is an open question for you
Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?
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Turner,
Your Abu Dhabi-financed mercenaries put on an awesome show today.

They are, for sure, favorites for the EPL -- after today's performance, they also look like legitimate contenders for the CL. 

:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
What is the fastest way of destroying your bankroll at the casino?

Play roulette with GLC's progressions.

cht

Quote from: Turner on Sep 30, 06:49 PM 2017
Here is an open question for you :thumbsup:

Those who are about to use Stephens MM as if it is some magical sticking plaster, please explain this to me. I am all ears.

How does MM mathematically change the odds?


Small print

You are about to use it like it is some panacea.
You must realize something in it that you can explain here
You must also realize that everytime you re-visit the table, be that each spin, be that hit and run, be that taking past spins as a trigger, be that following patterns, or a lack of patterns, you always have less money than you should have due to unfair payout and that means that your success or failure is constantly eroded over time due to house edge. You know all this because you understand that this is a negative expectation game

I'll try explain the use of MM this once.

Progression is merely an exercise to increase/decrease the stakes at particular points of the betting cycle.
It does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Again, MM does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Progression is a staking plan and MM is a bankroll management - the two does not refer to the same thing.

In any distribution there's variance for and against our bets.

The purpose of any form of MM is to better optimise the impact of variance on bankroll as against if none were used ie. flatbet.

This optimisation process is usually based on experiential statistical distribution of historical data.
However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect such past events, this is where the MM model may fail - the impact is unknown.
Demiliters is commonly used to circumvent such fat-tailed eventualities, eg. blackswan.

cht

Quote from: cht on Sep 30, 08:30 PM 2017
I'll try explain the use of MM this once.

Progression is merely an exercise to increase/decrease the stakes at particular points of the betting cycle.
It does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


The use of progression staking plan can only be justified if the purpose is to optimise outcomes based on experiential statistical data. However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect  past events.

Again, MM does not and will never change the odds.
To think otherwise is gamblers fallacy.


Progression is a staking plan and MM is a bankroll management - the two do not refer to the same thing.

In any distribution there's variance for and against our bets.

The purpose of any form of MM is to better optimise the impact of variance on bankroll as against if none were used ie. flatbet.

This optimisation process is normally based on experiential statistical distribution of historical data.
However, outcomes of casino games being randomly distributed means that future events does not necessarily reflect past events, this is where the MM model may fail - the impact is unknown.
Demiliters is commonly used to circumvent such fat-tailed eventualities, eg. blackswan.

cht

Quote from: cht on Sep 30, 08:51 PM 2017

All models are wrong but some are useful ----- George E P Box

Lets hope, by best efforts, some MM models are useful.  :lol:

cht

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 08:02 PM 2017
Turner,
Your Abu Dhabi-financed mercenaries put on an awesome show today.

They are, for sure, favorites for the EPL -- after today's performance, they also look like legitimate contenders for the CL. 

:thumbsup:  :thumbsup:
There's lukaku, rashford, pogba, martial, fellaini, mkhitaryan, mata, lingard.........david de gea standing in their path.

atlantis

Quote from: DoctorSudoku on Sep 30, 02:44 PM 2017

Yes, the proposed progression was only feasible for the author because he was playing at an airball machine (in Arizona) for only quarters (see highlighted quote above).

In most US casinos, the minimum betting amounts are much higher, especially with dealer-spun wheels (even most airball machines have minimum betting amounts that are in the $5 to $10 range).

At a $5 table, a 12-12 double dozen bet means a $60-$60 bet for the two dozens.

And at a $10 table, the 12-12 double dozen bet translates into a $120-$120 bet for the two dozens.

When discussing negative progressions, too many people too conveniently (or maybe too negligently) ignore real life conditions and restrictions that exist at the tables.

This has ramifications for those of us who are in the US -- most of the time, we have to play at actual brick-and-mortar casinos with the above-mentioned conditions and restrictions (since our online playing options are severely limited).

Hi DoctorS,

Yes all very valid points indeed - and I am totally in agreement with you on that.
I'm still searching for a good viable bet selection to use with Steven1212's betting principles.
Today, I will look again at the EC+Col idea. I'm thinking of betting the leading EC, but only when it's ahead by 2 or more...

A.
Thru the darkness of Future Past the magician longs to see. One chants out between two worlds:
"Fire -- Walk with me!"

ArmitageShanks

Quote from: steven1212 on Sep 30, 07:01 AM 2017
Quick update about the football betting challenge. As you can see on the screenshot the balance is now at £209. This is because I lost the first session. Fortunately, I was already far into the session when I lost a bet so the loss wasn’t too bad. Today i am starting the second session, hoping this time i will reach the target.
I’m pretty happy the first session was lost because it will be a good example for you to see the recouping capabilities of my money management. Just to refresh your memory, we started with £240. First attack was of £80 so the first target was £320. But we lost that session which brought the balance to 209£.

The new attack size is 70£. Starting the session right now.

Talk soon.

Any upate after a busy weekend of Football?

steven1212

Quote from: ArmitageShanks on Oct 02, 04:55 AM 2017
Any upate after a busy weekend of Football?

Yes. I was travelling all weekend so I didn’t have time to post but I have screenshots of everyday to show you what happened. 
Will post soon.

steven1212

Guys I’m catching up with this thread and I’m so surprised ! It’s been 7 days that I gave  you a magic system to make money everyday and you guys are still struggling !
Come one.
Can someone post a series of 200 or 300 spins of your choice. And I will use these number to show you how easy it is to make money with my system.

Go ahead post me some real spin archives thanks.

romano0327

Hello Steven,

We are still struggling becouse unfortunately we havent been able to find a method were we double our bankroll at least half of the time to apply with your MM, I have tried multiple approaches and I have seen some systems that will double the bankroll but it will happen less than 38 percent of the time...

For example with your street method, we are covering 11 streets, we are risking 11 units to win 1 unit, so in order to double the small bankroll like this, we need to win 11 times in a row, and we need to be able todo this more than 38% of the sessions in order to be in profit at the end of the month.

Mathematically we wont be able to win 38% of the sessions:

11 streets = 33 numbers out of 37 numbers, which equals 89.1%

Now what are the chances of 89.1% of hitting 11 times in a row?  89.1^ (11) = 28%

That means that out of a 100 sessions we will only win 11 times in a row 28% of the time, we will only double our small bankroll 28 times.

We need more than 38% to be in profit by the end of the month.

What other approach could we take?  I still like your mm and think its very clever, we just need to have a solid bet selection that mathematically could deliver over 38%.

Thanks in advance Steven,

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