COMMON SENSE BETTING + PROFESSIONAL ROULETTE STUDIES

[amk]

Hello XXVV..........

[amk]

Why on earth don't players use their CS and back zero when playing matrix bets.


It is not difficult.


Just think it through and it is a bonus every time 0 or better still 00 shows.


This is basic.

Fully agree XXVV...........

[XXVV]

Hello AMK


Yes CS1968 has a vast amount to offer. You may like to email him.


The question of handling the Zero is  a typical XXVV throw away line (lol).


Sounds easy and it is extraordinarily complex to do it right!


The impact that zero has on the "success" strike rate of the matrix bets is formidable if you cross credit the zero win onto a matrix win ( eg : reverse loss bet on D+C).


However you need to run independent banks and run the zero as a one off inside table bet that can transcend, can bridge between sessions if the zero sleeps.


If it is warm or hot then a zero hit is a great place to (eventually) stop the session and take profit.


These are very exciting research topics and also the correct proportion for the zero bet in relation to the outside table bets is critical. I allow 10% plus, thus a small premium for zero.


I am applying this approach in my current plays and tuning as I go.


Good Hunting friends XXVV

[amk]

[XXVV]

A little exercise that might lead to an interesting family of bets is by looking at the results from the game in a slightly different way from usual.


Now I dont believe the following will have any permanent edge, but I do know that in short cycles it can work well and be played using flat stakes. What more do you need?


It is based on the observation of finales on results, and is based on the observation, as with the gradual appearance of numbers that short term clustering occurs rather than 37 individual outcomes.


Of the ten finales, it is rare to have more than six individual varieties before a doubling of one of the earlier.


For example, from Hamburg Casino


31
34
24
8
12
9
17
12
16
3
12

The four marked examples are three categories of wins using two or three type betting forms.


These can all be bet with flat stakes.


More later.
XXVV

[monaco]

Now I don't believe the following will have any permanent edge, but I do know that in short cycles it can work well and be played using flat stakes. What more do you need?

not a lot! 

look forward to reading more

[XXVV]

Looks deceptively easy doesnt it! (lol).


Consider keeping it as simple as possible. This is always a good rule.


Rules and length of play per game cycle.


Look at any finale, say in this instance the first one to show 31, ie '1' finale.


So play 1,11,21 and 31.


No repeat and 34 shows so bet


1,11,21,31 and add 4,14,24,34.


24 shows and so a win.


Net win +24 units.


Another way is to play for a third outcome but that will need a progression.


Or you can also group finales into 1-3 (plus Zero), 2-4 ( plus 10),5-6 ( plus 20) and 7-8-9 ( plus 30).


Again you play for a second and/or  third appearance.


After a win await the entire set of finales to show and balance out, then reset and play again.


Useful little infill method between bigger and more complex bet types.


By keeping the criteria to a second showing you will shorten any progression needed, or you can play it out, even taking a net loss, by staking flat.


Food for thought
XXVV

[Wally Gator]

Another way is to play for a third outcome but that will need a progression.

Not sure I see the need for a progression on the 3rd. 36-(4+8+12)=12.  What am I missing?


Also, can you elaborate on your (plus zero/10/20/30)?


Great ideas.

[XXVV]

Thanks.


The 3rd step as a progression might apply to other bet variations where there are more than 4 variables.


The 0 finale is common to those numbers.


There are other groups though of say 9 or 10 numbers that can be combined and they may require a short progression.


I suggest keeping this idea simple and short and don't allow the nasty scenarios to sneak in which of course is an aspect of correction play outcomes.


More soon.

[Wally Gator]

Patience is a virtue with finales.  Waiting for the series to end for a restart is sometimes exacerbating. That said, it does work well.  To increase opportunity, I've recently used this with Mr. Winkel's Fibo progs strategy and have found it to be exceptional if you see it through and, of course, have the BR.

Thanks for sharing so much of your research.

[XXVV]

That sounds good my friend.


What I have endeavoured to do though is try to point to a very simple and often short way of achieving a repeat of a finale that can be played flat staking. You just have to draw the line on the difficult ones and try to ride the Ecart cycle so you get in and get out quickly and with a realistic profit.


I could write about all manner of complicated methods to track and chase and progress but I dont think we need to go that far.


This is just a modest little infill method. Let me know how you go.

[XXVV]

Have a look at this.


It taught me a good and important lesson today.


After you see the spins- they are a continuous session - I will explain.


The live soins were from Latvia today - WHG.


7
1
24
30
34
----


15
28
7
28
----


5
25
----


18
21
11
----


32
34
2
----


13
13
----


22
22
----


27
13
17
----


22
25
14
20
24
----


finales profit  +173 units  flat staking


When the Ecart is set and has swung this far you dont have to wait for a game to be re-set after a first win. The swing stays in place, as in this session, for about 30 spins and look at the returns.


It will not always be like this but this is what can happen if you are prepared to accept the offering!


Best
XXVV

[XXVV]

I completed a distribution curve on 100 outcomes for this type of simple finales bet. Of course it has no permanent edge but can have remarkable and very lucrative Ecart swings when a series of low bet numbers follow one another in a streak. It is a typical bell curve that peaks between 3 and 4 bet outcomes in this form.


In the above case there were 9 and that is quite outstanding with an outcome such as this occurring every 150 outcomes or 750 spins from the data samples I have tested. Nevertheless this did happen and I stumbled upon it as soon as I started playing.


By starting and stopping at key times you can change an expected loss of -300 units in 500 spins to an anticipated gain of +200 units every 500 spins.


You can consider avoiding clusters of loss games and then climb on when the storm has passed, or as with the example, climb on to an existing streak.


Or you can go to other ways of assessing the Ecart such as considering moving averages, which is a tool that can be simplified but adapted from financial traders.

[XXVV]

In fact I have had to complete several 100 outcome distribution charts as the results were encouraging. The Ecart can skew so that bets 2and3 can feature very prominently for lengthy streaks and thus generate quick strong returns in short cycles.


This could be well worth further investigation and curiously my first case study gave quite conservative test results. its usually the other way round when testing new ideas.

[soggett]

What about flat betting till in profit?
We remove the ones that hit (ex. 24 comes out and we win, but we are still not in profit so we just remove 4,14,24,34 and continue with the rest)
Until we reach profit then we restart

I did some sessions and it looks great for now