How many repeaters can we expect in 37 spins?

[vladir]

That's the question I ask. I know obviously we can theoretically get 37 unique numbers without repeaters, but that seems sooooooo unlikely, I wonder if it ever happened...  Does anyone have statistics he can share on this?

I have done some tests with excel over 1.000.000 random numbers, and I never got less then 7 repeaters or more then 19 in sets of 37 spins.



Also, for other quantities if you have (18, 20, 24, 30..) I would appreciate any data you have. Thanks.

[ati]

I always check repeaters when I play on betvoyager, and so far I never noticed more than 18 spins without a repeat. After 19 numbers you have 51.3% chance to see a repeat, and that's increasing by 2.7% after every new spin. 17-18 unique numbers come up regularly.
I tried so many ways to play repeaters, usually I get lots of small wins, then a big loss comes, just like in any system.

[Smoczoor]

#s HIT    FREQ
13.00        6
14.00       97
15.00      732
16.00     3873
17.00    16042
18.00    48153 <<<<<< 18 #s HIT, so 19 #s NOT hit
19.00   106830
20.00   177283
21.00   216172
22.00   199199
23.00   133869
24.00    66874
25.00    23763
26.00     5923
27.00     1050
28.00      130
29.00        4

[Azim]

#s HIT    FREQ
13.00        6
14.00       97
15.00      732
16.00     3873
17.00    16042
18.00    48153 <<<<<< 18 #s HIT, so 19 #s NOT hit
19.00   106830
20.00   177283
21.00   216172
22.00   199199
23.00   133869
24.00    66874
25.00    23763
26.00     5923
27.00     1050
28.00      130
29.00        4

If this was for 37 spins..  That means  18 number's hit and Any of the 18 numbers repeated 19 times....

22.00   199199<------------   22 unique numbers hit. Any 22 repeated 15 times...

[nottophammer]

the answer is knowing how those 19 repeats come.

[vladir]

Thanks....  need to take a good look at those numbers.....

[Azim]

the answer is knowing how those 19 repeats come.

If this helps:

Well in theory and using random numbers it is supposed to be:

By 13th spin : 26 number's not hit, 9 numbers hit once and 2 hit more than once ;
By 25th spin : 18/19 numbers not hit, 14/15 numbers hit once and 3/5 hit more than once.
By 37th spin : 13/14 numbers not hit, 13/14 hit once and 9/10 hit more than once.


Hope it helps.

[nottophammer]

vladir
On rng i've collected results that show after 10 spins the next 30 spins produce on average 15.7423888888888,
drop the point remaining and its 15,exactly half, to good to be true, so guess rng is a program not random.
60 spins usualy hits 30 numbers of the 37, again shows being a program. See this time and time again, so the game consists of new numbers and those that repeat, so the ? is how do we pick the repeats.

[amk]

How many spins have you collected on rng nottophammer?

[ati]

vladir
On rng i've collected results that show after 10 spins the next 30 spins produce on average 15.7423888888888,
drop the point remaining and its 15,exactly half, to good to be true, so guess rng is a program not random.
60 spins usualy hits 30 numbers of the 37, again shows being a program. See this time and time again, so the game consists of new numbers and those that repeat, so the ? is how do we pick the repeats.

I played and analyzed many thousands of spins on BV, and it's impossible to predict which number will repeat. 60/30 is quite normal. I'm pretty sure you would find 7 numbers that didn't hit for 60 spins on a live wheel too.
The most I've seen on BV is 18 without a repeat. 18 is a lot, that's why I mostly failed to find best system for repeaters. There are always hot numbers, that's a fact. By that I mean there will always be 2,4,5 whatever numbers that hit 3 or more times first. For a while I tried playing the numbers that hit twice until two of them hit 3 times. It was somewhat successful, but there were times when 10+ numbers hit twice and by the time I hit, I was still down a lot.

[nottophammer]

amk
884 games  on avg of 60 spins on rng.

just started to do the same for smart live, 244 games of 6o spins, both looking much the same, 15 point something in the 30 spins,after first ten spins.
heres yesterdays spins 12.3.14 from Ladbrokes

1    22
2    28
3    34
4    25
5    13
6    16
7    29
8    33
9    32
10  4       no repeat, so next 30 on avg will be 15 new numbers.

11  32 repeat
12  23   11 gone
13  16 repeat   
14  5     12 gone
15  29 repeat
16  12   13 gone
17  12 repeat
18  18   14 gone
19  20   15 gone
20  25 repeat     so 5 each  on my sheet record 5+0, find this ten usually has 7 gone, write 7+2                                               

21  6     16 gone
22  26   17 gone
23  3     18 gone
24  9     19 gone
25  17   20 gone
26  29 repeat 
27  16 repeat
28  23 repeat     
29  13 repeat
30  22 repeat       so 5 more numbers gone,with 20 numbers gone, the next number has taken 17 spins to come in,and in
                             ladbrokes or if you like global draw(suppliers of software) means can only bet for this number 6 times
31  26 repeat       and if you bet straight away here you loose £129.20
32  1    21 gone
33  19  22 gone
34  27  23 gone--- here 23rd number hits and 6 spins left,should we bet for the 24 number to hit out the 37,if do we can only
35  13   repeat      bet for 7 spins and seen it take 13 spins to come in. As the avg for 30 spins is 15 point something we 
36  22   repeat      could say we get a number every other spin, so number 27 the 23rd number to hit could have hit on the 
37   9   repeat      36th spin,so we're 2 behind the avg already. Remember seen take 13 spins to come in will                         
38  17  repeat      the program make a new avg of 14 spins, if we get 6 repeats we're still only 2 off the avg 15 point
39  1    repeat      something.
40  15  24 gone    So in the last 30 spins we got 14 new numbers, 0ne short of the avg 15 point something from 884 games.
                               SHOULD we gone for the 24th number YES with one bet to spare phew.
41  1   r=repeat
42  5   r
43  25 r
44  12 r
45  32 r
46  8   25th number of the 37 to hit
47  26 r
48  21  26th gone
49  4   r
50  24  27th gone

51  20   r
52  4     r
53  19   r
54  4     r
55  24   r
56  22   r
57  32   r
58  31   28th gone
59  29   r
60   1    r                so usually see 30 of the 37 hit by the 60th spin, here 28 gone,so just 2 short of the usual 30.

amk  in the 37 spins, it hit 23 of the 37, so 14 repeats, the BIG ? is how to get these repeats.

Here are the numbers from william hill same day. The two games i managed to win £51.60. Aus please dont ask to show how bets laid as the paperwork dont look pritty,you'll just have to take my word,okay.


28
10
2
33
4
7
21
36
25
16

9
32
15
9
18
15
4
2
9
4

5
0
26
20
22
34
1
27
32
8

25
4
24
14
27
28
12
8
17
33

14
6
23
6
25
35
9
23
35
8

22
23
18
24
34
32
33
20
19

only 59 spins

amk of the first 37 spins 26 of the 37 numbers hit so 11 repeats.

look at 9, spin 11, this would be the start of the 30 spins, and in the ladbroke game there was 5 gone , here we only have 4   
so to my game play -1.
The next 10 starting 5 followed by zero, only one repeat, 8 would be the 13th hit in my 30 spins and avg 15 point something
we could say 8 could have come in on  spin 26 of the 30, so well up on the avg,but we still have 10 spins and i've said the 24th number to come could take 13 spins to come in, if it did repeat for those 13spins we would have got 13numbers out of 30spins and be -2 on avg of 15point something. But this game had +2, managing 17 out of 30 spins.
so my two games had avg of -1 and +2. I know this is all avg but it seems to do well.

[nottophammer]

Jono
And Gigi?
Back this far 1-3-5-7&30 has shown it's self.