Bet Voyager

[miajade1983]

Hi
I have not been on here for a long time. Just want to say it is good to be back. I wanted to know peoples opinions on Bet Voyager and there 0 zero roulette. I have been playing on there demo game using my own strategy and I have been quite successful. For example tonight I have 80 wins in around 40 minutes. With those 80 wins 71 of them were 1st time and the other 9 were within the 2nd spin.

I just wondered if Bet Voyager was a trusted casino to use and I thought some of the more experienced players on the forum would be able to share there Bet Voyager opinions and views. I have only been playing in demo mode and I am very sceptical if a full version game could produce the same results and I am also worried that the table may be fixed in some way as it is not a live table. 

Anyway thanks to those who take the time to read my post and I look forward to hearing some opinions.

[foogus]

Up until the last few weeks ago I would have said a big YES, but since the problems with many players money being tied up with a technical problem that took an exceedingly long time to get resolved, I am not so sure anymore.

[SamNL]

I agree with Foogus here.
For me BV was always a trustful casino to play at
But since the Technical problem that took them 2-3 weeks without even properly communicating with everyone about the situation am not sure anymore.

[Roochla]

Yesterday I got disconnected from the new BV software. When I tried to log back in there was an update and since it just freezes when I press the login button.

I can log in fine on the browser version but not the new download which is where I run my bot.

Anyone else had similar?

[vladir]

Yes, got same issue. Web version is working fine.

I still think they are one o fthe safest places to play online- altough the last experience was a litle unprofessional, I still use them.

[ausguy]

I just had a look at BV randomness control (RC). They say it applies to all their (RNG) games, roulette & cards etc. I avoid all RNG games for the record because I think they are cheaters.

I looked at BV's Check sum demo which indicates they can't change the results during the spin. However can their program ID your play & "manipulate" the results for upcoming spins & so beat you & still comply with their RC ?

So if other RNG casinos don't have randomness control & probably manipulate their results, then how does BV make a competitive profit ? I see they operate in the Netherlands Antilles, are costs & wages lower there, like maybe Second World or closer to 3rd World ? I'm answering my own question here having just looked up the average wage there. It's around $3.40 p/hr USD equivalent & $137 p/wk for 40 hours so pretty much 2nd world. Perhaps that also reflects on the quality of service & staffing levels at BV ? As recently heavily posted on the thread about extreme concern about "lost" deposits ?
I also saw hotel rates were 1st world + with many in the $250 - $350 per night range & a kind of 2 tier economy where corporations profit off the back of low paid workers.   

Like I know this may be a question that can't be answered unless you have inside connections but is it possible that casino RO (Rip Off) makes 35% net profit whereas BV maybe only makes 15% or 20% ?

Also does anyone play both on line live dealer & BV & so have a direct comparison (if they play the same method) of which gives the best strike rate ?
I've seen it mentioned previously that BV offers very low minimums & high upper limits ? Like what are the EC limit ranges on BV Euro 37 number wheel ?

Live dealer mostly are above $1/Euro/GBP. EG Party casino Latvian feed is 2 min & Smart live is 10GBP min.  I imagine BOT play played at 200mph could equal or exceed bet/win earnings of a dealer @ 1 spin every 40 seconds to 1 minute spin cycles ? Does BV software ID BOT play & so limit or restrict the speed of bets ?

Anyone had/having reasonably large wins nearly every week say in the $1k - $2k+ range & regularly gets paid ? So that they keep on keeping on without getting a "DEAR JOHN" casinos flicking you DCA (don't come again) letter/notice ? Also how fast do they pay out on wins ? Do they beat 3 business days min. a lot of live dealer joints have ?

[Roochla]

Not sure on the above but still cant log in 

[superman]

However can their program ID your play & "manipulate" the results for upcoming spins & so beat you & still comply with their RC ?

With all the methods used can you imagine how any software could be created to do just that ? any coder worth an ounce of salt will tell you it's not financially viable BUT if you were just playing red or black then maybe, just maybe the next set would be against you, highly doubt it though.

So if other RNG casinos don't have randomness control & probably manipulate their results, then how does BV make a competitive profit ?

Random does it all for them, Roulette Extreme is a perfect example, if you run your play through it, your losses will be the same as on a real wheel OR an RNG game, now why would Roulette Extreme need to cheat you?

Also does anyone play both on line live dealer & BV & so have a direct comparison (if they play the same method) of which gives the best strike rate ?

Whatever gets played on live tables loses the same rate as RNG, only difference is it all happens much faster on an RNG so the mind 'thinks' there are more losing bets on RNGs, we've covered 'spot the difference' many times on these forums, there is none.

Anyone had/having reasonably large wins nearly every week say in the $1k - $2k+ range & regularly gets paid ? So that they keep on keeping on without getting a "DEAR JOHN" casinos flicking you DCA (don't come again) letter/notice ? Also how fast do they pay out on wins ? Do they beat 3 business days min. a lot of live dealer joints have ?

We had Grampa I think it was, who was limited to a few thousand a week or something like that, I have never had a problem withdrawing into Skrill AND I have never had a problem withdrawing into my bank account from Skrill, granted my winnings are not in the thousands and I don't think it matters what size your winnings are, a withdrawal is a withdrawal, they get enough from the other 95% of the players who constantly lose and cry cheat.

[Mare]

Random does it all for them, Roulette Extreme is a perfect example, if you run your play through it, your losses will be the same as on a real wheel OR an RNG game, now why would Roulette Extreme need to cheat you?

Absolutely correct 

[Roochla]

Still cant log in.....same on my gf's laptop.

Reinstalled BV .exe.......no change.

Tried old style software.....loaded.....logged in.....then an update AFTER I logged in.....all games disappeared from lobby.

Emailed support...clear browser and cookies....re try new software version......done.....no improvement.

Emailed support....24 hrs later....try different browser....done....no improvement.

Emailed support....."there is nothing more we can do, seek a local IT expert" was their response.

Pffft....

[Chris555p]

Don't understand why some of u insist on playing on BV; imho there is a lot of online casino
much better than bv......; why bother with bv...??

[Roochla]

No Zero.

Anyone else having these problems?


Anyone else solved these problems?

[superman]

Just logged in to play no zero, no problem at all

Welcome XXXXXXXX. Your balance: â,¬ 1690.52 • FUN 25479.45

Logged in on a laptop with XP using internet explorer 8

[ausguy]

I just signed up to BetVoyager to access their live dealer game for a look see. While there I looked at some of their RNG. The 3 ball game didn't thrill me too much, although in play mode & not caring about large bets or MM I got the A/C balance up over $6k playing double dozens, rather quickly.

I then had a look at No Zero Roulette where the limits on the outside bets were 5c to $1200 on the 2 : 1 & the EC's 5c to $2,000. I don't know which game has the 1c minimum that sometimes gets mentioned ? I didn't feel like viewing every game option on display. 5c to $2k is a very large min./max. ratio & calcs at 1 : 40,000 & so allows a larger than most progression ratio (PR). BUT RNG ! ! !

The Live dealer is the feed off Party Casino PC (Latvian Dealers). I have an account with PC so I went onto the lower level play game & then went onto BV live dealer & it was the same dealer & the marquee numbers matched for most of the board (leave off the top few due to the log in time back to BV).

The rates differ BV vs PC. BV min/max col /doz 1 : 600. PC Col./Doz. 2 : 2,000. PR 1 : 600 vs 1 : 1,000.    EC - BV 1 : 1,000  PC 2 : 2000.  PR  the same @ 1 : 1,000. PC has an advantage when the minimums increase.

How quick does BV pay out on withdraw wins ? Same day on Mastercard/Visa card used to deposit ? PC takes at least 3 business days & I've always been paid no hassles from that casino.

Superman what was your BR's on your 1690.52 balance ?  How has it been with you on BV withdraws ? (assuming you've made them naturally ?)

[superman]

I don't know which game has the 1c minimum that sometimes gets mentioned ?

European RNG roulette, the very 1st one on the roulette page (top left) havent looked at it for a while but that's the one, the NoZero is 5c min

How quick does BV pay out on withdraw wins ? Same day on Mastercard/Visa card used to deposit ? PC takes at least 3 business days & I've always been paid no hassles from that casino

The best I've had was 2 days, the worst was 8 days but I asked for it on a friday evening, not that that should matter in my opinion.

Superman what was your BR's on your 1690.52 balance ?  How has it been with you on BV withdraws ? (assuming you've made them naturally ?)

I have only ever deposited 25 euros at a time, lost it many times from dumba$$ method play, as I've stated for the last year/ish no mechanical play will ever win, my opinion of course so I play manually as described many many times in my responses over the last year. Which irritates me imensley as I build bots and would love to let the bot play but as I never use the same MM after certain criteria I have not managed to put that into a bot, the reason I am letting the bank grow is so I can play bigger units eventually, currently using 0.50c chips, target is 20 units per session, none of that loss limit nonesense, if I struggle I grind it out, some sessions can last a couple of hours some are over in a matter of minutes.

I've not yet had to contact support asking where my money is.

And for the record, I use Skrill, never had a problem with them either, from BV -> Skrill -> my bank account on average 4 / 5 days.

Don't understand why some of u insist on playing on BV; imho there is a lot of online casino
much better than bv......; why bother with bv...??

Purely because of the SHA + NoZero = true 50/50 not available anywhere else, unless you know differently, I am only talking about RNG, I don't trust live casino feeds from the east as far as I am concerned BV is just the middle man on that one.

PS I always set the string of numbers per set to 60, as you will know now that means when I play all those 60 spins are set before I start so they can't cheat me.
PPS I have run a bot against the SHA to test if they cheat, that was a few years ago though but it was always correct.