To sum it up...

[Skakus]

Variance is the beast to kill. Can this beast be killed or is it immortal?

Alex

It is immortal. You cannot kill it; you can only tame it, or pacify it for a while.

But I don't like your chances only using 4 or less numbers. At that rate it really is a beast.

[Steve]

What good is a lot of responses when they are all wrong?

[Skakus]

What good is a lot of responses when they are all wrong?

Steve's right

Why ask anything when all the replies will be wrong?

In fact, why join the forum at all if no one knows what they're talking about?

You should unregister and forward any further roulette queries directly to Steve. He might even give you his private telephone number.

[Turner]

What good is a lot of responses when they are all wrong?

Wow...and to think Ive sat here and listened to all your paranoid " big brother is watching you" BS....and said nothing.
Priceless.
My  last post.

[probasah]

It is immortal. You cannot kill it; you can only tame it, or pacify it for a while.

But I don't like your chances only using 4 or less numbers. At that rate it really is a beast.

Hi, Skakus!
I really like some of your strategies(vodoo bonuses included!). You say that using 4 numbers is a wrong approach. How many numbers would you consider to be safer as a betsellection?

Regards,
Alex

[probasah]

What good is a lot of responses when they are all wrong?

Hi Steve!
Thank you for your replies. I think that through sharing of ideas, something worth while might come around. I am just trying to make some order in my thoughts (which are a mess right now), and focus on the things that i THINK can lead to a better approach to playing roulette.
I have putted to the test alot of systems (tens maybe hundreds) that lead to the same negative expectation.
I found it confusing and exciting in the same time that only a few bunch people went on the other side of success, while the rest of the players (99.99999% ) fail.
I don`t plan to make a living out of roulette. For me its just a fun thing to pass time, and help others to the best of my abilities with free trackers. (excel). when i have time that is:)

Regards, and thanks for passing by.
Alex

[Steve]

Was I wrong, Turner? The forums are full of correct advice and holy grails? Is that why gambling forums are full of people winning millions?

Im not trying to offend you or anyone. But it is a fact that 99% of the systems or concepts have heen tried before, and have no value. Im sorry this offends you. It is not a personal comment. For years I wasted time too.

And when someone knowledgable, who is actually earning a living from roulette, explains the truth about winning roulette, it is usually pushed aside, and the endless circle of nothing new continues. Im talking about almost  every gambling forum, but some are far worse, and the productivity is no better than a forum riddled with spam.

I encourage open discussion about everything. I never stifle discussions. But I try to explain to people why an approach wont work. Why wouldnt I share experience? You dont need to appreciate it, but others may. I strongly advise people to understand why certain approaches fail, and encourage them to learn, and try NEW approaches. Maybe you disagree with my logic. Maybe the same thing should be tried forever.

Understand Im not saying advantage play is the best method. Im saying it is the best method we currently know of. But even I still research for new and better ways. Im a member and roulette fan here too, so you can understand my frustration with virtually nothing NEW being tried, and when people still dont understand why their system is failing.

Also many people play roulette just for fun, and dont care about profit. Still the knowledgable players will advise them, but professional AP methods may not be their thing, which is fine. Again I dont stifle discussions. But many people are serious about winning roulette and financial freedom. Whatever the goals of members here, it should not be difficult for both sides to co-exist. People can play their own ways. Whoever wins, is right. Or better yet, whoever is happy, is right.

The truth is not always popular. Actually its usually unpopular. This is why some of the most productive forums are quiet, including forums of people dont personally like. And if I didnt care about truth, I'd encourage everyone to waste their time going in circles. Because it would mean more posts, and more profit for me. But I put truth first. And even if this is unpopular, it wont change what I know is right. Anyone can choose their focus - truth, or fiction.

Also not to offend, but to an educated person that read your big brother comment, Im not the one with the problem..

[Steve]

probash, no problem if you only want to play for fun, martingales or whatever. If it ever becomes a business venture, I suggest focus on what the casinos themselves know works. They do know their own business. you can also find news stories of players winning millions with things like computers. nonsense? some people think so, without actually knowing. you will even find some people calling scam methods effective, and the effective methods scams. anyway im happy to give free advice to anyone willing to listen.

[probasah]

probash, no problem if you only want to play for fun, martingales or whatever. If it ever becomes a business venture, I suggest focus on what the casinos themselves know works. They do know their own business. you can also find news stories of players winning millions with things like computers. nonsense? some people think so, without actually knowing. anyway im happy to give free advice to anyone willing to listen.

Hi Steve!
Good day!

Thanks for your replies. I did not want to start a quarrel. Believe me, that is the last of my intention. I do appreciate your point of view and i am with you on this one. It can be frustrating over time to see the same systems over and over again with nothing new on the horizon. Every system i had placed in the excel has failed. Every single one of them. It makes me more and more motivated. I love challenges, as i am only dealing with virtual money.
Maybe you are right, and maybe AP is our best shot to win the roulette. All i know is that i don`t have the 15k in my pockets to buy a roulette computer or a mint system. That is why i still orbit in the search of a better method.
I do agree with you that TRUTH is the most important thing to hold on to in life. And That being Happy is more important than being right.
For this i hope that everyone will find their Holy Grail in life.

Regards,
Alex

[nottophammer]

I'm waiting for Ausguy to comment, should be worth the wait.

[Skakus]

Hi, Skakus!
...You say that using 4 numbers is a wrong approach. How many numbers would you consider to be safer as a betsellection?

Regards,
Alex

Hi probasah,

No one can tell you the absolute sweet spot, because there isn't one. Like variance, it's a shape shifter.  I can say that not even using a roulette computer will bring you much joy if you only bet a few numbers. Although it is constantly improving, predictive software does suffer a margin of error and normally requires betting a sizeable arc on the number ring, perhaps up to 15 numbers or so.

One good thing about betting less numbers is you can get lucky early and strike some good payouts, but the larger variance will get you in the end.

My own suggestion for straight up play is to start with a few numbers hoping for a hit, but adding more numbers and/or chips to current numbers (like repeats) every now and then until you gain any profit or reach a max bet of 25 numbers (2/3 of the number ring).

More often than not, the growing spread will encompass the variance and you will win. But those times when it doesn't and you lose, it will be somewhat due to the ball landing on your numbers with less chips, but mainly due to the ball landing on the 12 uncovered numbers (1/3 of the number ring). I call them, the dirty dozen.

These 12 numbers that defeated your previous attempt should be included from the outset of your immediate next attempt.

So you relent to the unruly variance and include the main culprits, the dirty dozen, in your next round of betting.

Deeply consider what I’ve suggested here and you will go far in the quest to beat this game regardless of what the experts think.

Cheers and good luck.

[Nickmsi]

There has been a lot of recent discussion on repeat systems and I have attached one of my trackers that should help with your understanding of them.

One of the questions regarding repeat numbers is when should you start betting them?  After they repeat for the first time, the second time, third time, etc.  This tracker allows you to select how many times you want a number to repeat before you start betting.

Another question is how long do you keep betting a number after it repeats.  Do you bet them for 4 spins, 8 spins, 12, spins, 36 spins etc.  This tracker allows you to select how many spins you wish to bet.

The tracker will bet up to 10 numbers.

You can select your Profit Target and Stop Loss.

You can also select your progression divisor which is based on Lanky's Divisor.  Since the tracker is betting straight numbers which have odds of 35 to 1, the divisor is 35.  This means you should be in profit on the first win.  You can adjust this divisor up or down to suit your needs.

The bot is equipped with excel's RNG numbers.   Simply press Function Key F9 to get a new set of spins.  You can also import your own numbers.

For those of you with our Excelbot, you can download the bot version of this sheet at our sister forum:
link:://betforum.cc/excelbot/

Enjoy

Nick

[probasah]

There has been a lot of recent discussion on repeat systems and I have attached one of my trackers that should help with your understanding of them.

One of the questions regarding repeat numbers is when should you start betting them?  After they repeat for the first time, the second time, third time, etc.  This tracker allows you to select how many times you want a number to repeat before you start betting.

Another question is how long do you keep betting a number after it repeats.  Do you bet them for 4 spins, 8 spins, 12, spins, 36 spins etc.  This tracker allows you to select how many spins you wish to bet.

The tracker will bet up to 10 numbers.

You can select your Profit Target and Stop Loss.

You can also select your progression divisor which is based on Lanky's Divisor.  Since the tracker is betting straight numbers which have odds of 35 to 1, the divisor is 35.  This means you should be in profit on the first win.  You can adjust this divisor up or down to suit your needs.

The bot is equipped with excel's RNG numbers.   Simply press Function Key F9 to get a new set of spins.  You can also import your own numbers.

For those of you with our Excelbot, you can download the bot version of this sheet at our sister forum:
link:://betforum.cc/excelbot/

Enjoy

Nick

Thanks, Nick!
What a generous gesture from your side.

Regards,
Alex

[Nickmsi]

You are welcome, Alex.

Always glad to help.

Nick

[Skakus]

What was that?...

Oh, you're welcome. LOL.