Random is random I suppose?

[Steve]

See :.roulettephysics.com/publicuploads/randomvsrandom.zip

This is an excel chart with what I explained. Basically two random columns to see how they correlate, after 100,000 spins. End result is with this approach, there appears to be no correlation.

[MrJ]

"My test plan would be to bet 10 numbers, fixed, on a basic Marty progression" >>>

10 numbers and a Marty.....but of course.

Ken

[GARNabby]

If that beats (any person's) best system what is the point in all of this research?

Maybe, the guy has a transposition theory by which he keeps his deck in sync with the wheel?

[ausguy]

Mr.J - "10 numbers and a Marty..... but of course". ?   Just did a 34 line quick test of the 10 numbers already mentioned yesterday. The bet levels went from L1 to L8. The units started at $1 per number. Party Casino inside limits are $1 - $250 per number or GBP/Euro, that's player choice.
Any L8 is $128 & a $255 per no. total x 10 = $2,550 min. BR.

For the test I used spins from Party Casino live dealer play I have from late last year. The spins average just over 60 spins per/hr.  A straight Marty failed & busted at bet line 11. A Marty with a Stop Loss "V" virtual nil $ bet after any L4 loss was also tested. The highest bet level reached for a win was L6. The lowest money level reached was - $76. The highest profit amounts came with the 2 last bets @ $748 & finally $758 "displayed balance", a noteworthy amount after just 34 minutes of play which calcs to over $1,300 p/hr.

Twice there were 9 straight losses. 4 being money bets & 5 "V"  bets. Further testing of longer play sessions looks worthwhile as "V" bets in the play mix certainly has some merit.

As always each to their own play/progression /bet ideas. My thinking is that any testing method that shows that it can handle losses & come through as a winner certainly deserves more than a passing glance or mis-directed SNIDE COMMENT ?

Also I'm mulling the idea of increasing the bet numbers to 15 & perhaps flicking the card random idea & making the bets in groups of 3 x 5 times pretty much evenly spaced around the wheel. Yes a far bigger BR @ & $3,825 & less return @ 21 units VS the 10's & + 26 units but probably offset somewhat with more wins & less losses?

[ausguy]

I just did 2 short tests of 15 numbers roughly evenly spaced around the 37 Euro wheel. The 1st 15 were in groups of 3, spaced x 5 around the wheel.

The 2nd lot were 15 single numbers roughly evenly spaced around the wheel. In both cases this left 22 numbers exposed to losses.

Even with stop losses in place both choices eventually failed & busted. This was mainly due to a lot of switch back single wins followed by a loss.
Stop loss betting can only win with 2 back to back wins & there wasn't many of them.

It was pretty much the case with all spin results. A few different live dealer ones from my past plays & some on CC here from the spin records thread.

It goes to show that 15/37 = 40.54% of the wheel covered can't beat 22/37 = 59.46% exposed. Switch the play around & maybe wins would come more often but then each loss exceeds a win ? To profit it seems that you'd need to win about 60% of the spins, probably the 2.7% house edge won't allow that be ?   

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